Kudos to Gamespot

[player1]

Originally posted by KoalaBear33
BTW, PBEM works just fine as does hotseat. (I thought I read that hotseat doesn't work well due to problems trading with each other)

I don't know abouy you but Hotseat works perfectly for me.

And don't base your opinion on just what somebody else said.


As for your they are most becasue "it should be done in the 1st palce". But they are done, and they are , not

That argument in only OK, if you say that PtW in overpriced.

Overpriced maybe, but imporvement in any case.
Those who like Civ3 will probably buy it, one the other hand, casual games probably won't, exept if they whatnt MP, but in that case some patching is needed.

[WarpStorm]

Originally posted by KoalaBear33
faster play (in single player? how?)
2 new units - professionally done (lame--why have so many units that create obsolescence?)

BTW, PBEM works just fine as does hotseat. (I thought I read that hotseat doesn't work well due to problems trading with each other)

The game is even worse now IMO... you can't tell what is going on in multiplayer (units fight and die with few indicators)

Faster play - I don't know what they did, but I know my turns are a lot faster on single play (I can even play a 24 player huge game)

The 2 new units are there to fight unit obsolescence they allow the previous dead end units to have an upgrade path.

Having played a few hotseat games I can say that it does work.

I get a message on the screen when a unit is attacked. You can go to the message to see what is happening. This obviously doesn't apply to hotseat and PBEM which leads to one of my gripes. There is no way to see exactly what happened between your turn.

Have you actually played PTW or are you basing your opinions on what you read here?

[Inverse Icarus]

they probably fixed a memory leak or streamlined an algorithm.

they tore a huge assed one in the multiplayer though.

[player1]

Originally posted by UberKruX
they probably fixed a memory leak or streamlined an algorithm.

they tore a huge assed one in the multiplayer though.

Yes Intenet based Mp needs fixing.



P.S.
By teh way has anybody though that Firaxis made an error by investing so much to make more then 20 units for WWII, Japan and Dino packs, without making any scneario which would support them.

If they just made ONE units pack, and several scenarios based on it, it would be much better.

While these packs are a good thing for MODers, they benfit too little a casual gamer.

In fact, if casual games doesn't like MP, there is no point for him to get PtW.

Of course for hard-core based Civ3 fan like me, even those SP fatures are worth of price.

[player1]

Originally posted by player1


Yes Intenet based Mp needs fixing.



P.S.
By the way has anybody though that Firaxis made an error by investing so much to make more then 20 units for WWII, Japan and Dino packs, without making any scneario which would support them.

If they just made ONE units pack, and several scenarios based on it, it would be much better.

While these packs are a good thing for MODers, they benfit too little a casual gamer. (read: waste of resources)

In fact, if casual games doesn't like MP, there is no point for him to get PtW.

Of course for hard-core based Civ3 fan like me, even those SP features are worth of price.

[Boris Godunov]

I have to say that PtW has improved my Civ3 experience tremendously, just through the faster turns, new civs/units/tech etc. and the extras included.

Was it worth $30? Not as of yet. Most of the things I like seem like they should have been made available through downloads.

[WarpStorm]

Originally posted by player1

By teh way has anybody though that Firaxis made an error by investing so much to make more then 20 units for WWII, Japan and Dino packs, without making any scneario which would support them.

TET's scenario which comes with PTW uses most if not all of them (I'm not sure that the dinos are in it). The Dinobarb scenario uses some of the dinosaur units. In the case of the dino units I'm sure that they are left over art assets from SId's abortive dino game and they just threw them in.

[Whohangs]

I'd also like to laud Gamespot for what looks like a pretty fair review based on the feedback here. Especially since Gamespot had a number of hands on previews of the game prior to release, I thought the game was going to get a better review.

I was waiting for the Gamespot review, the majority of reviews from Gamespot have been pretty good as far as the games I have bought. The main reason I would be getting the expansion would be for multiplayer. So for me, the reviewer hit the correct aspect of the expansion pack, which is multiplayer.

$30 might be worth it to some people for just the single player features, but for me, it doesn't seem worth it. I'd rather spend the money on a new game, rather then spend more money on a game I bought a year ago and thought was good, but not great. I typically only buy one game every one to three months, so only the best games gets my money. This expansion pack doesn't look like one of them.

[Switch]

To quote player1

"Of course for hard-core based Civ3 fan like me, even those SP features are worth of price."

[player1]

Originally posted by WarpStorm


TET's scenario which comes with PTW uses most if not all of them (I'm not sure that the dinos are in it). The Dinobarb scenario uses some of the dinosaur units. In the case of the dino units I'm sure that they are left over art assets from SId's abortive dino game and they just threw them in.

Yes, that's true.

But still not enough of them in order to make casual gamers interested.

[notyoueither]

Casual gamers who bought and liked Civ3 are likely to buy PTW simply for SP imrovements and the ability to hotseat or LAN with a buddy. If they are in the store shopping and see it. Not everyone needs to budget money closely.

Furthermore, most TBS junkies do not play solely for MP. Yes, there are 30 or 40 ghosts holding the fort in the Civ II MP forum (based on member numbers). There is Uber and a few like him. Then, there is the rush of RTS players coming in to check out the new MP in town. Hense the screaming. Civ is not, never has been, and hopefully never will be AoE.

Anyone who is a TBS junky would benefit from the expansion, so long as they liked the original Civ3. That's it. That's all.

[Huzurdaddi]

Anyone who is a TBS junky would benefit from the expansion, so long as they liked the original Civ3. That's it. That's all.

Ok, I'll call bull**** on that.

How many people do you think would have bought Civ3 PtW if were called "Civ3 better AI"?

Do you think the sales would have been lower?

I'll give you my opinion: of course you dip ****. Their sales would have been pathetic. By adding the mystical works multiplayer they got far more coverage and buzz.

Here at work a few people came by to say, "hey did you hear that Civ3 is getting multiplayer, maybe we should all go out and get it."

If it was called "Civ3 good AI" I don't think that anyone would have raised an eyebrow at work.

They knew this. So they lied. Pure and simple. They said that they had multiplayer on the box, and it simply does not work. They figured that they could pay off some sites (*cough* like gamesdomain) and get away with it. Thank gosh there are sites like gamespot out there.

[WarpStorm]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Casual gamers who bought and liked Civ3 are likely to buy PTW simply for SP imrovements and the ability to hotseat or LAN with a buddy. If they are in the store shopping and see it. Not everyone needs to budget money closely.

I'll agree with nye here. I impulse buy games just about every week. Most games I never give a second chance. PTW I've been playing steadily for a while.

[-proletarian-]

Originally posted by Huzurdaddi


Ok, I'll call bull**** on that.

How many people do you think would have bought Civ3 PtW if were called "Civ3 better AI"?

Do you think the sales would have been lower?

I'll give you my opinion: of course you dip ****. Their sales would have been pathetic. By adding the mystical works multiplayer they got far more coverage and buzz.

Have some respect. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you have to call them names. Try to keep it civil.

[Artifex]

I bought it at CompUSA tonigth for $20 bucks. I know its not the most awe inspiring expansion. But honestly I think $20 bucks is a fair price to pay for the new additions in single player alone. That's pretty cheap for an expansion.

If they get Multi to work it will be an added bonus.

BTW when is a patch coming out and whne do you think multi will be playable?

Also, where is a good place to go find games for multi?