Here we go again......

[Minuteman]

Wow! Based on what I've read here so far, it sounds like there are a lot of outstanding issues regarding this upgrade. I just bought PTW and I haven't installed it yet, primarily because I haven't played Civ3 in many, many months and wanted to first re-familiarize myself with the game before diving into MP. I hope that what I've read here is not an indication of what I'll have to contend with when I take the plunge.

I think it's important, however, to bear in mind that Civ3 (1.07f) also contained numerous bugs and lingering imperfections when it was first released last year. To their credit, Firaxis has, over the past year, been very responsive in periodically churning out patches to deal with those lingering issues. Let's hope they do the same for PTW as well.

[asleepathewheel]

I take it you are not the minuteman I trounced in MP the other day then . trounced is too strong a word, got lucky at first and the lag/jumpyness did the rest.

nice post, its good to keep some perspective.

No one can deny there are serious problems now. However, no one can deny that Firaxis has responded with 3, 4? patches to improve the original game and will do the same for PTW.

Patience.

The game will be fixed, it will just be a little while.

[vmxa1]

Minutemen, may as well install PTW and get used it. It has some nice features.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by vmxa1
Minutemen, may as well install PTW and get used it. It has some nice features.

good point

luck at some of the other threads on this page, there are a lot of great new features in PTW

and I haven't seen any problems in the SP, so you're safe there

[redstar1]

Agreed. Single player experience is much improved.

Haven't tried multiplayer really. PBEM is going to be my thing I would think.... and anyway, all you yanks lag too much

D

[vmxa1]

I can't say they are no problems yet as today is the first time I made a full run. Up to now it has been load a new game with a new civ and look around a bit and start over. I am going to play the Arabs to the end and have gone to the middle ages and no problems so far.

[Akka]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
I take it you are not the minuteman I trounced in MP the other day then . trounced is too strong a word, got lucky at first and the lag/jumpyness did the rest.

nice post, its good to keep some perspective.

No one can deny there are serious problems now. However, no one can deny that Firaxis has responded with 3, 4? patches to improve the original game and will do the same for PTW.

Patience.

The game will be fixed, it will just be a little while.

I consider that a RELEASED game should NOT have to wait for patchs tu run without too much problems.

Now, perhaps I'm just a bit too naive

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Akka le Vil


I consider that a RELEASED game should NOT have to wait for patchs tu run without too much problems.

Now, perhaps I'm just a bit too naive

I totally agree. Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the situation. but I know what to expect from Infogrames and what to expect from Firaxis. and I also know what the industry is like today.

also since I'm not much of an Mp'r, i can handle flaws with it. if SP became broken again, then....

[Dinner]

I'm with you guys. Call me old fashioned but I'm going to wait until the next patch, see if that fixes most of the MP problems, then take a second look at buying PtW. I just feel uncomfortable buying software before I know if it works or not.

That and I don't like rewarding the bad practice of releasing things on the public before they are fully ready.

[Theseus]

Oerdin, I hear ya, but I gotta cast my vote for buying PTW... just in SP, the new features and other stuff are quite worth it.

[vmxa1]

Yup I like it, but I understand the sentiments about getting hozed with broken or missing things.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Akka le Vil
I consider that a RELEASED game should NOT have to wait for patchs tu run without too much problems.

Now, perhaps I'm just a bit too naive

Yes, you are indeed too naive if you still expected this after Civ3.

[vmxa1]

Well, maybe not naive, but it does seem to be getting common now adays. Let me take that back, as I just remember Hive did not work and some others the same years, so it has been around for awhile.

[Dinner]

Most software programing companies are small while most software publishing companies are quite large. On top that in most major markets only about five publishers who control the lion's share of the software market. That means the publisher can strong arm the small programers into doing what ever they want them to do.

If the programers say they will need one year to develop a program and the publisher comes back and says "do it in eight months or I will drop your product from our shipping schedule" then the game will be release in eight months reguardless of whither it is finished or not. Since an oligopoly of publishers and distributors control what programs get to market the programers have no choice but to keep the publishers happy or to watch the company go under.

Lack of competetion in the publishing & distribution business is harming consumers. Remember that next time your Republican representative tells you so and so mega-merger will be good for consumers.

[vmxa1]

I was following you until you went off the deep end with the the politics. What do republics have to do with it? Seems like the Clintonites presided over many of the biggest mergers. The way the market works is demands will get met. If the behavior is as you say that only means the customers like it that way, if not it would get changed. When enities fail to met needs they go out of business. New business will fill the need. This gets subverted when the government steps in.