Stop B****ing about PTW

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Should it work on your old 486 running Win 3.11?

It says on the box what the system requirements are.

Should they have added: Programming experience recommended?

ACK!

[Strakorfsky]

wiseass.....

look at their buget, considering the time and recourse poured into making a decent game like civ 3, no wonder they short comed it just to improve it later nad bulster sales.

in ptw, there are numerous mistakes about mp, the main advertiser of it was websites like apolyton, they made it seem like " everyone problem will be wooshed away"

in reality, games like ptw are trial and error, they see what works, and improve from their. beta-testing is pretty ineffectice.

the people often don't take the profesionality to look at th materials flaws, and programmers are scrambling to meet a dead-line, they wouldnt check back without extra time.

[rflagg]

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First off, one of the problems is Infogrames tells Jeff Briggs: Jeff, you HAVE to have civ 3 ptw out by this date, or there's no more work for you with Infogrames. So, then Jeff has to tell his team it has to be out by that date, and down the list until the programmers are forced to work very long hours (paid nicely though, at least...it is still a job, yes) in feeble attempts to get as much working as they can, meanwhile, the PR guys are talking about all the non-existant stuff that's great and wonderful in it, and all that you can do with it...if you've never heard of that before, you've obviously never worked with a companies' sales dept. It's promise first, then find out later if we can actually fulfill that promise.

Giving feedback regarding problems is a very important thing to do for each and every consumer - the more they know, the more Firaxis can focus on the *main* problems. But, saying "IT DOESNT WORK F--- FIRAXIS" solves nothing. Giving out your machine specs, your connection specs, and your specific problem is the best way to voice your opinion, and at least then it's less painful for the rest of us who are just trying to find out info about the game in the first place.

So, if it doesn't work for you, tell us..say it in all caps if you feel necessary, but be specific, and for christ sakes, disable the diseased software like NAV and what not, and try at least some troubleshooting of your own. If it works, tell us what kind of setup you're using, etc. Don't expect things to be fixed though by just flaming a company that you pretend to be an expert on because you purchase their product. And, uh, thanks.

-rflagg.

[Strakorfsky]

tuberski....

many high-end games don't work on the old windows for franchise and practicality reasons.

microsoft doesn't sell any of the old windows, why would they give credence for firaxis to make it optional on that?

only somone who really needs a windows inprovement would have an older windows, which is probbaly less then 1% of the U.S. still using one of the old versions.

it is unlikely many europeans or ect... still use them.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tuberski


It says on the box what the system requirements are.

Should they have added: Programming experience recommended?

ACK!

And like with a lot of other software, people will get different results depending on their specific system. Now with networking you throw in yet more variables and things that could cause problems.

At any rate, you are right to hold off, for yourself. Buy it when you're ready to based on reports here and the record of the patches. All I or anyone else can do is tell you what is involved. However, if all you ever want to buy is perfect computers and perfect software that require to no tinkering to make go, you should avoid making any pruchases for the next number of years.

[Strakorfsky]

rflagg...

i assume you work for firaxis...

if so, I would emagin a VERY large amount of patiance is needed in the civ community, people expect that a new game should be all perfection, but, its like a trial and error, you go from where thigns don't work.

but all I see si rant pages about " i doesn't f***ing work", "the mp won't come on", and such.

people like hurin only make the problem worst by acting like know-it-alls. and giving false advice where they knew nothing

[Tuberski]

All I'm saying is that there seems to be a lot of problems that a layman won't be able to figure out.

For example, I'll use the game Morrowind.

My system is UNDER the recommended specs, I bought it anyway and tinkered with the OS and many other things to get the game to work, and work pretty well, on my machine.

But, in that case I knew I was going to have problems running the game.

I think that is why a lot of people are pissed about PTW. All that really had to be programmed for it is the MP ability, so people figured they shouldn't have many problems with it.

Naive maybe, but not unexpected.


ACK!

[Strakorfsky]

notyoueither....

you are right, systems respond weird to new software, you can only hope yours responds well to it, or ask firaxis for help on it.

all software is like a risk. it may lasta while, and accomodate many types of software, or screw you and crash the first days.

interestign so many people responding, and not that many rants.

[rflagg]

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double post, sorry.

[Tuberski]

rflagg is a SPAMbot, apparently,

ACK!

[rflagg]

Tuberski, you should get a geforce4 (if you don't have one) for Morrowind. The water, she is beautiful!

[Strakorfsky]

wow, three pages, and its my thread

i feel a suddon on-rush of pride

[Strakorfsky]

oh well, I am getting ptw tommarow

whether is floops like you all say or not, it cant be as bad as ctp multi player has gotten

anyways, i would still like to play against ai if the mp doesnt work well

[Wise Ass]

Originally posted by Strakorfsky
wiseass.....

look at their buget, considering the time and recourse poured into making a decent game like civ 3, no wonder they short comed it just to improve it later nad bulster sales.

It has nothing to do with the budget, Firaxis is a well established development company. Time was the factor and as rflagg already pointed out it was the fault of Infogrames. In most development cases the publisher has the right to cancel a project, sue for lost and expected revenue, all over a missed deadline.

in ptw, there are numerous mistakes about mp, the main advertiser of it was websites like apolyton, they made it seem like " everyone problem will be wooshed away"

in reality, games like ptw are trial and error, they see what works, and improve from their. beta-testing is pretty ineffectice.

The whole Idea of testing is quality assurance. I am not saying I expected a perfect game, and I have yet to complain about anything other than the jewel case issue.

the people often don't take the profesionality to look at th materials flaws, and programmers are scrambling to meet a dead-line, they wouldnt check back without extra time.

Mike has been here all day it seems

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by rflagg
Tuberski, you should get a geforce4 (if you don't have one) for Morrowind. The water, she is beautiful!

I have an itty-bitty 16meg video card.