New Civ Traits

[playshogi]

An Agricultural trait could be treated like industrious and commercial: 1 extra food at size 7. Also cheaper granary and aqueduct.

[Tiberius]

My 0.02 $:

1. Agricultural
+1 food (in the city, after size x)
cheaper granaries, aqueduct, hospital

2. Maritime
+1 movement on sea
cheaper harbors

3. Nationalistic (instead of charismatic or diplomatic)
better trade deals
more chances to succeed in espionage missions
less chances for cities to defect (flip)
less war weariness


P.S. The "horny" trait in cute. Maybe they could build special units, called "Aphrodite's priestesses", which would make nearby enemy troops to defect! I could imagine also a small wonder, called "The arrows of Cupid", that would boost the fertility of your entire civ!

[King_Xerces]

I like the idea of that new wonder (cupids arrow)- but dont such wonders already exisit - eg the pyrimids, longetivity, etc.....
Maybe a city could grow by two people instead of one when the food box is full.....

I also have something to add to the maritime trait. Most civs could not sail the open ocean which is why they didn't discover the new world, and didn't become very powerful. Civ's like the English should have the ability to sail the open ocean from mapmaking onwards (with cheaper galleys). That would make 'em more like what they were meant to be - instead of learning of their existance, and automatically knowing they're toast.
The maritime quality would suit the vikings as well - think, if the vikings had a bigger population to begin with, they'd probably own the world.

Finally, I should say that nationalism is a fairly new idea. There used to be city states instead of nations - ie athens, sparta, yadayada.........

Charismatic is probably the way to go as it's been around from day 1 - as a natural human quality of resiliece. Some nations were extra resilient.

I think charismatic would fit the Hebrews - charismatic and religious. Masada, the macabees and whatever are all good examples.

[Dida]

that's just in greece, or say europe. China has been united as one country since 200 bc.

[N. Machiavelli]

With the exception of the Nationalist/Communist struggle that lasted around 25 years, of course.

[Hagbart]

It is imho very strange to make a hole civ charismatic. Charisma is a human trait, it can't be compared to industrious or commercial.
So charismatic is a bad idea.

[Tuberski]

Besides Culture is kind of Charisma, if you think about it.

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by King_Xerces
I like the idea of that new wonder (cupids arrow)- but dont such wonders already exisit - eg the pyrimids, longetivity, etc.....
Maybe a city could grow by two people instead of one when the food box is full.....

King_Xerces...the Cupid thing was a joke.
Edited: Btw, increasing the population by 2 instead of 1 when the food box is filled is exactly what Longevity does.

It is imho very strange to make a hole civ charismatic. Charisma is a human trait, it can't be compared to industrious or commercial.

I agree, this is why I said "nationalistic". I know that nationalism is a relatively new concept, but "nation" is a very old concept and when I say nationalistic I think to a very proud, tough, hard-to-defeat nation. (the hebrews was a good example). Find another word for it, but not charismatic.

[King_Xerces]

King_Xerces...the Cupid thing was a joke.

I kinda realized it was a joke, but there's no such thing as a bad idea. Maybe if you dressed it up a bit, and made it sound more realistic, a wonder to assist in flipping might be a pretty good wonder afterall.

I agree, this is why I said "nationalistic". I know that nationalism is a relatively new concept, but "nation" is a very old concept and when I say nationalistic I think to a very proud, tough, hard-to-defeat nation. (the hebrews was a good example). Find another word for it, but not charismatic.

Scotts too. They were a tough little nation.
BTW, I dont think wording really matters as long as we agree on the concept. . I can only hope that firaxis is reading this right now and considering some of these idea's.

[Gen.Dragolen]

Originally posted by King_Xerces

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Scotts too. They were a tough little nation.
BTW, I dont think wording really matters as long as we agree on the concept. . I can only hope that firaxis is reading this right now and considering some of these idea's.

I agree that Nationalistic would be an excellent choice as it describes cultures like the chinese, who absorbed invaders like the Mongols.

Make it a 50% increase for the resistance to outside cultural influences, and that would be just right. No culture flipping if they are your people, but if they are conquered, there will still be a chance that they may flip back, or that their cultural identity doesn't fade away in a conquered city as the population increases.

PTW should be very interesting...


D.

[Tiberius]

The French ought to be nationalistic, too (instead of industrious; why are they industrious is beyond me ).
After all, it is hard to find a nation that in more "nationalistic" than the French.