Civilization specifics

[Duddha]

This information came from a PC.IGN Preview Summary done at civfanatics.com. I assume it is correct because the preview was a members only affiar at PC.IGN. The information is quoted directly from Civfanatics.com.

New Civs:

Carthaginians: Commercial/Industrius, UU is Numidian Infantry, spearman with increased attack/defense and no special resources
Koreans: Commercial/Scientific, UU is Hwacha, cannon with increased bombard and requires less special resources
Mongols: Militaristic/Expansionist, UU is Keshik, cheaper Knight that requires less special resources
Vikings: Militaristic/Expansionist, UU is Berserker, Longbowman with increased attack, defense, AND amphibious attack
Spanish: Religious/Commercial, UU is Conquistador, weak, cheap, requires almost no special resources, treat all terrain as roads, and doesn't replace anything
Celts: Religious/Militaristic, UU is Gallic Swordsman, swordsman with faster movement
Arabs: Expansionist/Religious, UU is Ansar Warrior, replaces Knights, and are faster and cheaper
Turks: Industrial/Scientific, UU is Siphai, a better attacking Cavalry

New information from Civfanatics.com

Keshik: 4/2/2
Conquistador: 5/3/3
Gallic Swordsman: 3/2/2
Sipahi: 7/3/3
Numidian Mercenary: 2/3/1
Ansar Warrior: 4/2/3
Medieval Infantry: 4/2/1
Guerilla: 6/6/1

So what do you think? Spanish commerical?huh, they stunk at economics. I'm disappointed that we're not getting a new elephant unit with the Carthaginians.

[Tiberius]

Is it a fact or only a guess?

[Palaiologos]

Yes, where did you get this information from?

Or is it just an estimate of your own?


Numidian infantry for Carhaginians?You mean Numidian cavalry.Massinisa, the cavalry commander of Hannibal,
led the excellent Numidian horsemen time after time against the Romans, before changing sides that is.That was the main reason Hannibal was defeated at Zama;Cavalry superiority was lost.

P.S Turks Scientific?

[Palaiologos]

It is true they employed Numidians as infantry,but these were lightly armed spearmen and were not considered first rate troops.It was the cavalry arm of the Numidians that made an impact.

I like that the beserker replaces the longbowman which is historical accurate.

[Duddha]

This information came from a PC.IGN Preview Summary done at civfanatics.com. I assume it is correct because the preview was a members only affiar at PC.IGN. The information is quoted directly from Civfanatics.com.

I have some problems with the turks being scientific too.

[Amadan]

The entire post over at CivFanatics also has info on new generic units, new victory conditions (Capture the Princess), and new city improvements.

[Tiberius]

The turks should be expansionistic or militaristic. If something, I know that. My ancestors fought for centuries against the ottoman expansion in this area (Central and Eastern Europe).
The city where I live was occupied by the turks for more than 150 years.

[Q Classic]

my problem is with the hwacha. don't get me wrong, it's not bad, but that's not what i'd've wanted for a UU. the kobukson turtleships would have been so much better.

ah, well.

[des-esseintes]

Sounds lame. I'm genuinely disappointed

vikings militaristic and expansionist? Why not commercial? We now have 3 civs with mil/rel and 3 with mil/exp. Why is this?

A spearman with 2 attack and 3 defense? A knight with 3 movement AND cheaper cost? Not very unbalancing to the Hoplite, the Bowman and the Rider now is it? And 2 movement swordsmen are just whack. Are you sure it didn't read Medieval Infantry? a 30 shields 3/2/2 unit would completely, pardon my french, fcuk up the game.

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by des-esseintes
A spearman with 2 attack and 3 defense? A knight with 3 movement AND cheaper cost? Not very unbalancing to the Hoplite, the Bowman and the Rider now is it? And 2 movement swordsmen are just whack. Are you sure it didn't read Medieval Infantry? a 30 shields 3/2/2 unit would completely, pardon my french, fcuk up the game.

You're right. I also find some UU's very unbalancing.
The chartaginian UU is very weird

[kring]

I just joined PC.IGN for a trial period, and saw the whole article, I emailed it to Dan and MarkG. Also, there are a number of great screenshots there as well.

And it is Num. Infantry for the Carthage civ.

[Palaiologos]

Originally posted by Tiberius
The turks should be expansionistic or militaristic. If something, I know that. My ancestors fought for centuries against the ottoman expansion in this area (Central and Eastern Europe).
The city where I live was occupied by the turks for more than 150 years.

Absolutely correct.The Turks are the classic example of an expansionist race.My ancestors (Byzantine Empire), fought for hundreds of years against the barbarians from the stepes.As did valiantly the Hungarians, Rommanians and Serbs.My own homeland (Greece) was occupied for 400 years, and Macedonia in particular for 500.

They should be neither militaristic since their leaders showed no special aptitude for millitary tactics and strategy(Bayazit excluded).As for their scientific trait the only reason they failed to expand their rule to western Europe was the great technological gap between them.I do not recall any great Turkish technological achievements.

And why the hell industrius?What did they built ?Roads?
Mosques?Universities? What?

I would suggest religious and expansionist instead.

P.S If only to satisfy my curriosity, could you tell me where are you from Tiberius?

[Palaiologos]

And as for the Numidian infantry they fought with a light javelin and shield.No armor, no heavy infantry tactics ,no long spear.

Greek hoplites and later phalangites under Alexander, had heavy armor, large shield , close-faced helm, fought in a tight phalanx formation with a huge spear and were professional soldiers(the phalangites).

How can Numidians have better attack and defence characteristcs?

I will go to the civfanatics site and check it out myself.It can't be true.

[Galvatron]

Re: Civilization specifics

Originally posted by Duddha
So what do you think? Spanish commerical?huh, they stunk at economics.

Yes the Spanish are everything else than good economists. They were only able to be the world leader for such a long time because of the gold and silver deposits they shipped from the New World but this has nothing to do with a strong economy as we see Spain more or less economically collapsed after the colonies get their independence and stopped the shipping. Religious is ideal for them plus they should be: militaristic (they conquered whole South America alone and this is really a militaristic masterpiece: wow ).

The Turks industrial and scientific? This is ridiculous they never had a strong industry nor where they ever good in science. Looks like Firaxis staff did this thing on guesswork or perhaps they dreamed about it . Should be militaristic too for reasons already mentioned (they devastated and oppressed the whole balkan before they were stopped by European powers).

[Duddha]

Yes the Spanish are everything else than good economists. They were only able to be the world leader for such a long time because of the gold and silver deposits they shipped from the New World but this has nothing to do with a strong economy as we see Spain more or less economically collapsed after the colonies get their independence and stopped the shipping. Religious is ideal for them plus they should be: militaristic (they conquered whole South America alone and this is really a militaristic masterpiece: wow ).

The Spanish were horrible at economics. They were the world leaders for only about a fifty year period and only because they got lucky in America. Any college level text book it will tell you that Spain economically collapsed after they imported gold and silver from the New World and were on the downturn even before the Armada(sp?) was defeated. Their currency inflated, everyone got lazy, and the system imploded. Spain was not militaristic. I hardly call taking over civilizations which practically roled over and died for the Spanish a military accomplishment. When faced agianst European opponents the Spanish were squarely defeated.

Turks industrial and scientific? This is ridiculous they never had a strong industry nor where they ever good in science. Looks like Firaxis staff did this thing on guesswork or perhaps they dreamed about it . Should be militaristic too for reasons already mentioned (they devastated and oppressed the whole balkan before they were stopped by European powers).

right on