Firaxian Idiocy

[Iron Chancellor]

Firaxis has added a new PTW section to their Civ3 site.

But alas! They call Hannibal king of the Carthiginians!
GAH!

[Apocalypse]

Well Joan is leader of the French.

[Darkworld Ark]

Re: Firaxian Idiocy

Originally posted by Iron Chancellor
They call Hannibal king of the Carthiginians!
GAH!

Wasn't he?

[Dom Pedro II]

Hannibal was a general for Carthage...

and personally, I find the bickering over who should be leader ridiculous. People say, NO! JOAN CAN'T BE LEADER OF FRANCE BECAUSE SHE NEVER WAS.......

It's a game, and furthermore, each time you play its on a completely fictional world with wars that never happened with civilizations that never encountered each other due to differences in time, space, or both. Therefore, the leaders and civs could be completely fictional, and it will still be exactly the same...

BUT if the Firaxians said somewhere that Hannibal was "king" of Carthage, then that is wrong. It should be altered, but only if they were using it in an historical capacity and not in a Civilization 3 capacity.

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

Actually Carthage, like Rome, was a republic which had a senate largely made up of merchants! Hannibal was their most respected and successful general, in much the same way that Joan of Arc is one of France's most respected military commanders! So I don't really see the problem with making him the "Leader" of the Carthaganians! I mean, they could hardly have a "Senate" leaderhead, could they?
Oh and, just for the record, if the Carthaginian senate had not been such a bunch of procrastinating wimps, Phonecian might have been the base of every European language today!! Basically, almost all of Rome's army was destroyed during Hannibal's campaign, but he needed reinforcements in order to move onto Rome itself, reinforcements he never got!! Then Rome, having learnt from it's previous mistakes, went on the counterattack, crushed Carthage underfoot, and went on to conquer most of the known world!!!

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker.

[Dom Pedro II]

Cool tidbit of info, Aussie

[kring]

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
Hannibal was a general for Carthage...

and personally, I find the bickering over who should be leader ridiculous. People say, NO! JOAN CAN'T BE LEADER OF FRANCE BECAUSE SHE NEVER WAS.......

It's a game, and furthermore, each time you play its on a completely fictional world with wars that never happened with civilizations that never encountered each other due to differences in time, space, or both. Therefore, the leaders and civs could be completely fictional, and it will still be exactly the same...

BUT if the Firaxians said somewhere that Hannibal was "king" of Carthage, then that is wrong. It should be altered, but only if they were using it in an historical capacity and not in a Civilization 3 capacity.

I agree 100%; it is rare to find someone that makes this point.

[Hoznog]

Well, the Hannibal was royalty. His family owned a vast section on current Spain (Cartagena is the modern Carthago Novo aka New Carthage) over which they ruled with as much power and sovereignty as other monarchs. Besides who else could you choose to lead the Cathaginians, Pliny the Obscure? The next two most recognized names attached to Carthage are Scipio Africanus and Cato, but both are Romans known for destroying it...




"Carthago dilende est!"

[Sava]

It doesn't surprise me one bit. The historical inaccuracies date back to Civ I. Thebes, the Egyptian capital, is a Greek City. Sumer, part of the Babylonian Civ, was around almost a thousand years before Babylon. And don't even get me started on Roman and Greek cities. Syracuse, for instance, was originally founded by the Greeks, yet in all of the Civ games, is a Roman city. And speaking of Greeks, Alexander the Great looks more like Julius Caesar in Civ III. Civ I got it right with that blonde hair.

It's a game, people. I say, enjoy it for what it is. I am glad Civ isn't completely accurate like Europa Universalis 2.

[Iron Chancellor]

I know, I know. Its only a game, and all...
But you think they would have named him "General" or something of that sort.
I like to play as great leaders who led their countries to greatness (my main problem with Joan). I also like for their titles to be correct. Who would call Mao Tse-Tung the "King" of the Chinese. Or Lincoln "Emperor" of the Americans. Oh well. I like the game enough to let it slide.

[narmox]

Who would call Lincoln the emperor of the Americans?

The same who'd have Lincoln as their leader in 4000 B.C. and visit the Great Pyramids of Tokyo in 1000 B.C...

(I hope you see my point )

[zulu9812]

Originally posted by Sava
It doesn't surprise me one bit. The historical inaccuracies date back to Civ I. Thebes, the Egyptian capital, is a Greek Cit

Damn straight! Oedipus came from Thebes!

[MarkG]

i believe there was an egyptian thebes as well...

[MarkG]

and i'm right

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/egyptthebes/

[Carver]

Agree or disagree but does the choice of Hannibal really deserve to be called idiocy?