Firaxian Idiocy

[hzm]

Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker
Actually Carthage, like Rome, was a republic which had a senate largely made up of merchants! Hannibal was their most respected and successful general, in much the same way that Joan of Arc is one of France's most respected military commanders! So I don't really see the problem with making him the "Leader" of the Carthaganians! I mean, they could hardly have a "Senate" leaderhead, could they?
Oh and, just for the record, if the Carthaginian senate had not been such a bunch of procrastinating wimps, Phonecian might have been the base of every European language today!! Basically, almost all of Rome's army was destroyed during Hannibal's campaign, but he needed reinforcements in order to move onto Rome itself, reinforcements he never got!! Then Rome, having learnt from it's previous mistakes, went on the counterattack, crushed Carthage underfoot, and went on to conquer most of the known world!!!

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker.

Roman came from Greek and Greek came from Phoenician. (Simplified? Yes. But there it is.)

[Hasdrubal]

My favourite for ruler of the Carthaginian civ would have been Dido, the great founderess.

But I can live with Hannibal and his wrong title. How could I be insulted when they mistakenly call my -Hasdrubal's- great general a 'king'.

He surely must be the most famous of Carthaginians - everybody is familiar with the story of his crossing the Alps with an army of war elephants. The one warlord of antiquity to match the quality of Alexander, the one name that made Rome shiver with fear for over half a milennium to come - who would deny that man a royal title?

I'm just so happy to see that Carthage is in, that I would've settled for 'pope Hannibal'.

[MattHiggs]

Dido is a singer, and not a very good one.

[Cookie Monster]

Just another voice saying that Firaxis' choice in leaders doesn't concern me. What I care about is good smooth gameplay. I'm looking forward to what PTW has to offer period!

BTW Sava nice girlie girl. Yum yum...............

[dunk]

Rant begins...

Uh oh, another horrible mistake. Oh my goodness. How can we play this game? My goodness. (Frets about). I think the world may come to an end because a GAME has Hannibal as leader of the Carthaginians. Wait, aren't you going to complain that the Carthaginians were actually Phoenicain? Well? Oh my goodness. You mean to say that Sumer was around before Babylon? Oh my!!! IIRC, all of the "Babylonian" cities were pretty independant city-states. So were the Greek cities. Athens fought Sparta in a war!!!!! Oh my goodness, is this Civ II or what? Whatever shall we do? (Hyperventilates). That means that Civ is (gasps) wrong. Oh my, send it back, burn it!!!!! Burn it!!

Ok, my ranting is over.

Mao is called "King" of the Chinese because if you are in a monarchy, well, you have a KING, don't you?

Threads like this one are why I no longer look at the "Civilizations" forum. I get all flustered and grouchy.

[Sava]

Markos, that was my point. The Egyptian Thebes was Greek influenced. Had the Greeks not gone to Egypt, that city would not have been named "Thebes".

[BigRed515]

Originally posted by Sava
Markos, that was my point. The Egyptian Thebes was Greek influenced. Had the Greeks not gone to Egypt, that city would not have been named "Thebes".

Umm...the Egyptian Thebes became the capital of Egypt about 2134 BC, while the Greek Thebes was founded approx 1000 BC. I don't think the Greeks had any inflence over the naming of the Egyptian Thebes.

In any case, change the leaderheads and city name files if you don't like them. There's an editor for the latter and a community for the former.

[JtheJackal]

I thought Thebes was founded in 4000 BC with a road to some furs built shortly after???? Now I'm confused. I guess ever since the Aztecs leveled the city in 1554 records before that became sparse.

[BigRed515]

You forgot about the eternal cattle herd a year's walk from the city limits...

[Iron Chancellor]

Sorry. Stupid Complaint. Sometimes I get annoyed by little errors. Either I'm absurdly obsessed with historical accuracy, or a little anal retentive. And no, you don't need to give me your opinion.

[Luis G.]

Well, if we go for historical accuracy, most of the cities from the Aztec city list were actually enemies of the Aztecs (Tlaxcala, Azcapotzalco) or cities that were destroyed long before the founding of the Aztec empire (Teotihuacan, Tula), and the title wasn't king, it was "Tlatoani", and it's not Montezuma, is Moctezuma or Moctecuzhoma, and actually, there were TWO Moctezumas.

[Iron Chancellor]

Well, benefit of the doubt for the Montezumas. "Montezuma" is the Anglization of the Spanish version of "Moctezuma." But, Firaxis assumes that the public for the most part knows squat about ancient Mesoamerican cultures (which it does), so its easy to see why they would do such. Also, it allows them to cover more civilizations without actually making them all great powers (playable civs).

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by hzm
Roman came from Greek and Greek came from Phoenician. (Simplified? Yes. But there it is.)

accordning to legends, rome was founded by two guys (romulus, remus) razed by wolves ... maybe greek wolves?

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Luis G.
Well, if we go for historical accuracy, most of the cities from the Aztec city list were actually enemies of the Aztecs (Tlaxcala, Azcapotzalco) or cities that were destroyed long before the founding of the Aztec empire (Teotihuacan, Tula), and the title wasn't king, it was "Tlatoani", and it's not Montezuma, is Moctezuma or Moctecuzhoma, and actually, there were TWO Moctezumas.

most is anglifized in civ3, which is a real shame.

other wrong written leader names, here correct(er):

jeanne d'arc
mao zedong (wrong too, but nearer)
iulius caesar
katarina (the great)

not to speak about all the cities. is too much expected to have "köln" instead of "cologne" or "münchen" instead of "munich"?

[Hurricane]

Hey, I´ve even been to Thebes! But only figured it out now!