I have a bad feeling I'm going to be duped into buying this

[Sava]

I just know I'm going to see it on the shelf at my local electronics store and say (Homer Simpson style) "MMMMMMmmmmmmmm, Civilization". And after I wipe the drool from my face, I'm going to buy it, get home, and curse it for not living up to my expectations just like Civ3.

Most of the features of PTW are things that should have been in the first game. And the thing that really chaps my ass is that the major flaws of Civ3 have yet to be addressed.

#1 No mini map in the map editor

Apparantly Firaxis didn't bother to test their editor to see how hard it is to make a map when you can't see the entire world. A zoom function like Civ 2 would be nice.

#2 Civil War

It was one of the best parts of Civ 1. Capture a capital city, and BLAAOUWW two civs... This was a great feature, and Firaxis, partly Microprose's fault for not putting it in Civ 2, didn't include it in Civ 3. IMO, they should have expanded the idea so that if there is a civil war, say you capture Babylon, the Babylonians split into two Babylonian Civs. That would add a new dimension to the game. And I believe something close to 90 percent of Apolytoners voted for Civil Wars in another thread.

[FrustratedPoet]

Re: I have a bad feeling I'm going to be duped into buying this

Originally posted by Sava

Most of the features of PTW are things that should have been in the first game. And the thing that really chaps my ass is that the major flaws of Civ3 have yet to be addressed.

#1 No mini map in the map editor

Apparantly Firaxis didn't bother to test their editor to see how hard it is to make a map when you can't see the entire world. A zoom function like Civ 2 would be nice.

FWIW this is available in the latest patch (v1.29f).

I agree that it was a baffling ommision from the first release, but at least they're giving it out for free now (albeit many months too late).

[player1]

Re: I have a bad feeling I'm going to be duped into buying this

Originally posted by Sava
#1 No mini map in the map editor

Hmmm....

There is a mini-map in editor.

You just need to get 1.29f patch.

[MarkG]

I just know I'm going to see it on the shelf at my local electronics store and say (Homer Simpson style) "MMMMMMmmmmmmmm, Civilization". And after I wipe the drool from my face, I'm going to buy it

you know why you're going to buy it? cause deep down in your mind(and your heart), the total money you've spent for civ games is nothing compared to the all the fun you've had. which means that the people responsible for this enjoyment deserve your $ even if PtW is not that great after all....

[WarpStorm]

Ain't that the truth, Mark. I'll be in the store the first day.

[dunk]

Originally posted by WarpStorm
Ain't that the truth, Mark. I'll be in the store the first day.

Be sure to tell me about it. So I know whether to buy it soon or wait until after the holiday when the price will drop some.

[Q Classic]

i think i'll be suckered in, too. still irritated about the entire collector's tin bidness... so much so that even though i've heard great things about the war3 tin, i'm really loth to spend that much extra, which is a pity. (how come every other collector's tin seemed to be good? jk2, war3...pfeh)

but if it's true, and the koreans are in... i might just sink those thirty dollars to finally get a korean civ that i didn't have to mod in myself.

[Inverse Icarus]

i'm addicted to civ.

no matter how many thigs i can find wrong with it, no matter how many rants i scream at firaxis, i am obsessed with civ, and i play it all the time.

it's a great game. and even with all the things i could find wrong about it, there is so much that makes it great.

take note firaxis, i'll probably never say this again.

[zulu9812]

Aahh, the old "I won't be ripped of again" thread...

[MarkG]

actually, it's the old "oh god, i'm going to be ripped again but what the hell" thread

[Coracle]

Re: I have a bad feeling I'm going to be duped into buying this

Originally posted by Sava
I just know I'm going to see it on the shelf at my local electronics store and say (Homer Simpson style) "MMMMMMmmmmmmmm, Civilization". And after I wipe the drool from my face, I'm going to buy it, get home, and curse it for not living up to my expectations just like Civ3. . .

Yes, and after you install it you will say. "D'Oh!!!!", just like I did after I got a look at Civ 3 last December.


I will NOT get it unless it has a Cheat Mode such as in Civ 2 to allow us to switch sides, control accelerated startups, etc.

Settler Diarrhea - their expansionist flood - must be slowed.

Privateers and subs must be able to damage an enemy civ's trade on his sea routes. Not being able to do that makes creating accurate WW I and WW II scenarios impossible as U-Boats almost won both wars.

Culture Flipping must be made sensible, if we can't already mod it out in the Editor (I'm not sure about that). When I have nine military units vanish when a town of '1' "flips" back we have absurdity.

We need to be able to control Diplomatic relations for scenarios.

One thing is certain: I will NEVER believe another review of an online Gaming site, not after their idiotic reviews in favor of a buggy messed-up Civ 3 back in December.

[Dimorier Maximus]

I was repulsed by Civ3 at first too. But with the patches and by giving it countless chances, I have really begun to like the game.

I really expect the expansion to be no more than some new nifty little civs, and I think that 8 new civs for $29.99 plus tax is well worth it.

[zulu9812]

Coracle - do you actually play Civ3?

[trevor]

nice one zulu

[Dom Pedro II]

I really want much much more from the expansion pack, which I highly doubt that I'm going to get. I was disappointed when I saw the first chat regarding the expansion pack for the simple fact that the programmers explained more about what WASN'T going to be in the pack than what WAS.

Nevertheless, I'm going to buy it for (as Dimorier Maximus put it) the "new nifty little civilizations" and also the AIRFIELDS! ... *grumbles* eight squares on an archipeligo map... sons of... ANYWAY, I don't feel like mass producing carriers for that purpose.

I don't expect that PtW will be anything other than cosmetics, so that's all I'm hoping to get from it. Anything else I get will be gravy to me.