Firaxis! Oceania wants in...

[NeoStar]

Jakarta isn't the capital of Polynesia, if that was what Ribannah was getting at.

Indonesia is a grey area, it's so big (3rd biggest population in world, hundreds of islands). The only part of it officially known as 'Oceania' is Papua.

[Sean]

Neo-star, don't forget the New Zealand part of ANZAC, mate ;-)
Your right, Oceania is sadly lacking in terms of civ 111. One of the map makers in apolyton made a "oceania" map, yet it was mostly asian!

oh well...

[NeoStar]

We wouldn't have stayed at Gallipoli for as long as we did without you blokes

If you kiwis got in it be the next best thing We'll still be keeping the Bledisloe though

But nothings doing here. It seems like no firaxian's visited. Oh well - at least some people visited and agreed . I guess we can always make our own custom civs...

PS- BTW, I think the Maori's have a case as well if the Aborignes do.

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
I'm thinking you mean Indonesia when you say capital Jakarta? Right?

No, I mean Polynesia.
The Polynesians settled there and created their finest empire.

[Nakar Gabab]

It's been said before, but the Khmer might be a good bet. Close to southern Asia, fills out that area.

In game terms, there might be some problems with Oceania (on an accurate map, since random maps make continental representation meaningless). There'd be a LOT of islands and ocean and not a lot of useable land. Perhaps (on realistic world maps, anyway) So-Pac civs could get a specialized "bonus tech" that gives them early ships (capacity 1, but enough movement capability to colonize quick), and a specialized fishing improvement that grants shields for water squares?

[NeoStar]

Originally posted by Nakar Gabab
In game terms, there might be some problems with Oceania (on an accurate map, since random maps make continental representation meaningless). There'd be a LOT of islands and ocean and not a lot of useable land. Perhaps (on realistic world maps, anyway) So-Pac civs could get a specialized "bonus tech" that gives them early ships (capacity 1, but enough movement capability to colonize quick), and a specialized fishing improvement that grants shields for water squares?

Specialized fishing improvement? That's not a bad idea - I myself was thinking along the lines of more kinds of water resources - even more fish/whales around the Pacific on a 'real map' would do.

We get plenty of marine life around here, not to mention the Great Barrier Reef

[kring]

I will throw in my support, FWIW, to a Pacific civ group, whichever they choose.

There are a number of good prospects out there.

[curswine]

i never knew that the polynesians settle in jakarta oh well but the most well known polynesian city Tamaki (which is the moari name for Auckland) which is the most populated polynesian city
well apart from jakarta but im still not quite sure on that

[NeoStar]

Originally posted by kring
I will throw in my support, FWIW, to a Pacific civ group, whichever they choose.

There are a number of good prospects out there.

On ya kring'o

Originally posted by curswine
...the most well known polynesian city Tamaki (which is the moari name for Auckland) which is the most populated polynesian city well apart from jakarta...

Despite the lack of land (besides Australia, but a large part is bush/desert/rainforest) Oceania all up actually has a fair population - around 31 million. Might not seem much, but its a unique culture/geographic area - and I reckon there's enough civ players

[ScreamingViking]

Neostar:

The #1 thing against any Oceanic civilization is the fact that CivIII does not allow for marintime civs to thrive. There is simply not enough production for the water based civs, barring a whale surplus. In addition, randomly generated maps (my preferred way of playing) could very well locate an Oceanic civ smack dab in the middle of a continent. It IS all random.

Aside from Australia, Oceania will not get much PTW consideration. Besides, if you Aussies got in, you would hear a lot of whining from us Canucks.

Perhaps firaxis should find some way to properly simulate colonization, as to better account for emerging 20/21 century countries like Australia, Canada, Brazil, Mexico, NZ, etc.

[NeoStar]

Originally posted by ScreamingViking
Neostar:

The #1 thing against any Oceanic civilization is the fact that CivIII does not allow for marintime civs to thrive...

I understand that mate but civ's not so big on that. I mean Egypt doesn't get any 'desert bonuses'. After the UU and traits there's little b/w them. If we go that way however, a solution would be a water improvement/early 'rig' or a 'reef' tile. Plenty of reefs around here

Originally posted by ScreamingViking
Aside from Australia, Oceania will not get much PTW consideration. Besides, if you Aussies got in, you would hear a lot of whining from us Canucks.

Perhaps firaxis should find some way to properly simulate colonization, as to better account for emerging 20/21 century countries like Australia, Canada, Brazil, Mexico, NZ, etc.

I know, I know-it wouldn't be too fair. I was thinking of a colonization thing to-would add a nice touch if you could create Dominions across the world. They'd lose unworkable corruption and not have to be managed-so long as they're your faithful allies.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by BeBro
What would be their leader and special unit then?

- a very early (no tech required) primitive ship (carry 1, move 1, coastal tiles only)
or:
- the boomerang througher (1|1|1 (treats all tiles as road)). has attack range of 2

[NeoStar]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
...a very early (no tech required) primitive ship (carry 1, move 1, coastal tiles only)...

Hmm-that'd be alright. I was originally thinking a improved galley but a weaker one needing no tech...

Originally posted by sabrewolf
...the boomerang througher (1|1|1 (treats all tiles as road)). has attack range of 2...

Bombarding boomerangs? I can tell you they'd give you one hefty knock but they wont destroy a city temple.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by NeoStar
Hmm-that'd be alright. I was originally thinking a improved galley but a weaker one needing no tech...

well, the polynesians would never even come to map making on the small islands with practically no production. even food is a problem, because coastal cities only provide 2 food with harbors (map making)... they'd have to have at least a small amout of chance to expand?

Bombarding boomerangs? I can tell you they'd give you one hefty knock but they wont destroy a city temple.

uhm... ... well... temples aren't worth anything without priests (or other religion-dedicated people) ... boomerangs could decapitate them... same for army ... no, ofcourse... you're right, forget this

[Immortal Wombat]

Polynesian war canoes. Very cheap ancient-age transports.