Who should be the leader of the Arabs if they're in PTW?

[snuggs]

Janissaries for the Turks, definitely. A bit like the French Musketeer. Perhaps faster.

Late game UUs - fair enough, but these aren't the nations to try 'em on. The Arabs' greatest military successes fell overwhelmingly in the date range 630-990. The Turks' Ottoman heyday was 1350ish to 1650ish. Therefore it would look all wrong for the Turks/Arabs to get the edge in the modern age. Can you think of a single technological/doctrinal thing that set either nation's military apart over the last century or two?

[Nakar Gabab]

Originally posted by snuggs
Janissaries for the Turks, definitely. A bit like the French Musketeer. Perhaps faster.

Late game UUs - fair enough, but these aren't the nations to try 'em on. The Arabs' greatest military successes fell overwhelmingly in the date range 630-990. The Turks' Ottoman heyday was 1350ish to 1650ish. Therefore it would look all wrong for the Turks/Arabs to get the edge in the modern age. Can you think of a single technological/doctrinal thing that set either nation's military apart over the last century or two?

Not last century or two. Last fifty years. People seem to forget how SHORT the Modern Age is compared to the other ages. There's a geometric compounding of history going on in Civ3 (and in general, but that's something unrelated). The Ancient Era represents a HUGE span of human history, the Medieval Era represents another large chunk. Then you have the Industrial, which represents a few hundred years, and Modern, which is literally the last few decades.

That said, ONLY America should have a modern UU. There just aren't any other candidates in the last 50 years.

I would, however, like to see more Industrial UUs. The Panzer is entirely appropriate, but I'd like to see more. Alas, nearly every civ I think will be in PtW will *not* have an Industrial UU.

[Andrew_Jay]

Most likely the Arab UU will be something from the time of the Crusades. However, I think that a cavalry replacement would be completely plausible and then at least be somewhat late game. Even though you could almost say that Cavalry comes at the very middle of the game (very late medieval, often only researched just before or after going to industrial) the Russian Cossack is still the third latest (out of 16!) UU. Only the Panzer and F-15 come after it.
So basically, when I say late game I don't mean a Modern Armour UU, I mean something like a cavalry replacement, which, when compared to other UU is still pretty late.

[snuggs]

Still, the cavalry unit represents the horsemen of 18th and 19th century Europe, a period where the Arab world stood still. Far more appropriate something that comes with Monotheism. But I hear you re. the lack of late-game special units. There just seems no satisfactory way round it.

[JtheJackal]

Originally posted by snuggs
But I hear you re. the lack of late-game special units. There just seems no satisfactory way round it.

Because the UU basicaly represents the time period where that civ historicly was at it's peak

[dnassman]

Well know that we know that they are definetly in PTW the speculation of who the leader would be and what UU they have would be even more interesting to see who gets it right.

[PMLF]

I think the Arab UU should be a replacement for the Horsemen or for the Knight.