Who should be the leader of the Arabs if they're in PTW?

[Andrew_Jay]

Well, Dimorier Maximus, it never hurts to be considerate about someone else's religion. And anyway, even in the US alone there is a large Muslim population, not to mention the fact that there are well over a billion followers worldwide, and growing.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
As if a whole bunch of Muslims are buying this game anyways.

!!! arabs is not equal muslims !!!

turks are muslim, but not arab
iranian are muslim, but not arab
pakistanis are muslim, but not arab
usbeks and tadjiks are muslim, but not arab
same for some other former soviet countries, a lot of africans, indonesia, philipines, many larger and smaller nations worldwide, etc., etc., etc.

[Incan_Warrior]

I would say my original suggestion was silly, but not stupid. Perhaps it could be used for a 'Disney' scenario.

I'm gonna need a little Arab 101 lesson from sabrewolf. I agree that not all muslims are arabs, but aren't a good number of arabs muslim? Hook me up with the info.

And as for saddam hussein, etc. as 'great leaders' - I don't think Firaxis will use any names from the past 50 years. Even so, not every civilization's leader is known for being an upstanding member of society, much less a pro-life proponent (and I'm not talking abortion here). Take, for example, Montezuma of the Aztecs - he probably engaged in human sacrifice (of his OWN people) on a daily basis. Nevertheless he's the face we look at in Civ 3.

[Papa Chubby]

I don´t think that Saladin should be the great leader of the Arabs, mainly because I believe, this might be caused by some misconception on my part, that he wasn´t an Arab. My knowledge of Arabic history is very poor so again I stress the point that this might be wrong.

The leader of the Arabs should be the rashid fellow, I´m guessing he is the one that united the Arab tribes and went on the unify the whole of the Arab peninsula. At least it was some Rashid family hailing from Riyadh.

[Jethro83]

Originally posted by Papa Chubby
I don´t think that Saladin should be the great leader of the Arabs, mainly because I believe, this might be caused by some misconception on my part, that he wasn´t an Arab. My knowledge of Arabic history is very poor so again I stress the point that this might be wrong.

Sure Saladin wasn't truly Arabic, but what the hell does that have to do with what he did for the Arabic people?! Without him, the Arabs might still have been ruled by the filthy barbarian crusaders.

Its better to base the choice of leader on what they did for the people they led. NOT whether or not they were one of them.

I think Saladin would be a great choice.

[Andrew_Jay]

Good point Sabrewolf. Also, Syrians, Lebanese and Palestinians are Arabs, but there are very sizable Christian populations there.

Also, I think that the fact that Saladin wasn't really an Arab is rather obscure anyway, and we've all seen that Firaxis doesn't bother themselves too much with the obscure, instead going for fun and recognisability.

But I still want to see Feisal there somewhere, perhaps as a great leader.

[Dimorier Maximus]

Originally posted by Andrew_Jay Well, Dimorier Maximus, it never hurts to be considerate about someone else's religion. And anyway, even in the US alone there is a large Muslim population, not to mention the fact that there are well over a billion followers worldwide, and growing.

Unless they're Christian, right? Then you bash the heck out of them.

I think the leader should be Saladin though, as it was in Civ2. Except you didn't know that the Arabs were in Civ2 unless you looked at the rules.txt file.

[Dimorier Maximus]

Originally posted by sabrewolf !!! arabs is not equal muslims !!!

turks are muslim, but not arab
iranian are muslim, but not arab
pakistanis are muslim, but not arab
usbeks and tadjiks are muslim, but not arab
same for some other former soviet countries, a lot of africans, indonesia, philipines, many larger and smaller nations worldwide, etc., etc., etc.

Thanks, Mr. Obvious, but I didn't say that he should be the leader...

[Jahi]

its going to have to be Saladin.. as any pictures of Muhammed would be considered a bad thing..

[Jahi]

as for the debate of Saladin not being Arab, i dont think thats a big deal really.. Washington wasnt an american either by blood

[Pythagoras]

Im suprised no one has suggested Pres. Nasser. He was a hero in much of the Arab world after the 56 war.

[Sonic]

My vote goes to Muhamett. The only leader whose influence is so high nowadays.

However, how about Nasser?

[Transcend]

Nasser fared poorly during the 6 Days War.

Saladin is the best choice

[SpencerH]

Yassir Arafat.

[snuggs]

It has to be Saladin, though Kurdish

Civ2 came with optional city lists and I had soon replaced Iroquois with Incas and Celts with Arabs. The Arab leaders they suggested IIRC were indeed Saladin -and Fatima for the ladies.