Who should be the leader of the Arabs if they're in PTW?

[Cimbri]

Why not caliph Umar al-Khattab? In 633-643 After Abu Bakr’s death, the Prophet’s companion Umar al-Khattab is elected as the second caliph. Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Palestine come under Muslim rule. Jerusalem is captured, Caliph Umar declares that Christians will be honoured and protected. He introduces the Islamic calendar consisting of 12 lunar months.

[kring]

Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
As if a whole bunch of Muslims are buying this game anyways.

Considering that they put a price on the head of Salman Rushdie, they would probably do the same since it is a major violation of their religious beliefs. It is not about them buying the game, it is either respecting their religion or not wanting to risk a price on their own heads.

[Andrew_Jay]

Yeah, we don't need some radical Islamic cleric declaring a fatwa against Sid Meier and the rest of Firaxis. Though it would be very interesting and surprising to turn on CNN and see THAT news story.

But anyway, Muhammed simply can't be used, that's that. One has to pay attention to other people's sensibilities, especially those of a major, mainstream religion. If the followers of the Celestial Moon Temple don't like something, sucks to them. If you're going to offend about a billion people, you should probably rethink it.

[Mattaba]

Saladin of course Muhammed, would offend muslims and almost nobody knows all those other caliphs and whatever

Originally posted by Andrew_Jay
Yeah, we don't need some radical Islamic cleric declaring a fatwa against Sid Meier and the rest of Firaxis. Though it would be very interesting and surprising to turn on CNN and see THAT news story.

Good point I could even see something like that happening, a plane crashing into the office of Firaxis or something else.

[Gangerolf]

as for the debate of Saladin not being Arab, i dont think thats a big deal really.. Washington wasnt an american either by blood

american by blood?

[Dom Pedro II]

It seems to me that the same people who complain about Saladin, a Kurd, being the leader of the Arabs, are also the people who want Napoleon, a Corsican, as leader of France instead of Joan...

[Dimorier Maximus]

I want Saladin and Napoleon as the leader heads. I think Joan of Arc should be a great leader (the first one to pop up for France).

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Gangerolf

american by blood?

Yeah, apparently Washington married into the United States.........

[PMLF]

Saladin must be the Arab leader of course for many reasons (he is famous in the west, etc...).

By the way, what UU would the Arabs have?

[snuggs]

UU? Some kind of light cavalry thing perhaps, got with Monotheism. 3-2-2?

[Gangerolf]

camel rider!
civ3 needs a camel unit

[Dimorier Maximus]

Did anyone actually ever ride and fight on camels, or is that a bunch of hogwash? If it is real, can you give me some sound historical info on it? I always thought camels were too slow to be of any use outside of a desert.

[Andrew_Jay]

I'm really expecting some kind of cavalry, probably camel, too. I'm pretty sure they rode into combat on camels, I think it was actual fact that the smell of the camals would confuse and panic the European horses during the Crusades.
However, that said, does the unique unit have to be ANOTHER knight replacement? We already have an extra attack knight, and extra defense knight and a no resource knight. I'll be really dissapointed if it's an extra MOVE knight, and they just copy the unit from Age of Kings (not literally of course, but you know, absolutely no really difference).

What I'd like to see, since Lawrence of Arabia is probably my favorite movie, is a cavalry replacement with some extra attack. Give them a camel and put some carbines their hands, or perhaps a sword, but make them look half modern; a la Lawrence of Arabia. I'd also like to see Prince/King Feisal as their leader, but that's probably not going to happen.

Anyway . . . PLEASE not another knight replacement, and not ANOTHER ancient or medieval UU . . . well, a cavalry replacement would be okay even if it is still "medieval".

On a related topic, what would the Turkish unique unit be? Probably Janissaries though I don't know exactly what kind of unit that would be, seeing how I'm pretty sure the word is just a term to refer to the military units made up of formerly Christian children, taken as a sort of tax from Ottoman controlled areas (no really, the Ottomans treated Christians under their rule pretty well except for the fact that every year they would expect a quota of so many thousand male infants to be handed over to them. They would be raised as Muslims and given a pretty good education and then go on to be bureacrats or soldiers in the Sultan's service)

[PMLF]

janissaries would be probably similar to the musketeer. Maybe the janissaries wouldhave an extra movement point or an extra attack point.

[Andrew_Jay]

Yeah, that's how they were modelled in Age of Kings, as musketeers. Maybe have them replace the Riflemen? I just really want to see a lot more later game UU.