attn Firaxis: Petition for the Hebrews

[Jay98]

Equating Hebrew civilization with modern Israelis is absurd.

I'd agree with a Hebrew inclusion.

[Dimorier Maximus]

Re: Palestinians deserve it more

Originally posted by AJ Corp. The FAIR
I would prefer a Palestinian civ for the next XP.

I'd also love to see a decent solution for the Palestinian people in real life, but ...

let's start giving them something already, because they're getting none in their home country.

That's all I have to say about this one. Don't attempt to 'discuss' this post by defending Israel's politics.

We differ in that one.

AJ

Palestinians would be pretty much covered by the Arab civilization. Heck, why not have a Confederate States of America in the expansion pack if you are gonna have the Palestinians?

[Panag]

hi ,

, okay , people , lets please not make this in a OT thread , now , as for history , if the Jews would not have been around , well , lets just say that we would not be where we are today , ...

now ; many of you dont know what the Jews did , that's okay , even Jews learn about themselfs every day , ...

now , Jews in history , how many know that in WWII many found refuge in Japan , .... from China , where there was a big war going on , ....

stuff like this , well it can be found everywhere , now , a Jew is someone you can find almost everywhere , in the old days , and yes even now , the provided a trade route , taxes where their idea , they told Xerxes how to collect them , how to use a library , how to pay people , ....

in history the Jew has been doing that , why , well its two folded , one , with the birth of the other faiths , they had there holiday's , the Jew works on these day's , so therefore he could provide a service , when the other's where on there religious holiday , ...
the second ; many Jews where refrained to do this or that job , one ; because of a lesser extend their faith , two ; because the culture they where in had allready skilled jobs in a certain area , ....

even today there are Jews in places like Iran , ....
yes there are poblems , but they are there .
in Morocco today more then half of the banking system is in hands of the Jews , ....

so they played a role that should put them in , just like most civ's , ....

as they are not in , well Firaxis told that we can make our own civ's , so in a way the problem is solved , ....
how-ever , we can not make the units and such , so Firaxis should put them in , ....

have a nice day

[Mikhail]

in the second XP, they'd be alright, I suppose.

just make sure that their UU is ancient. the most modern units (stealth air, modern armor, etc.) need to be something that everyone can get.

[Sirotnikov]

why not Merkava IV

[Christantine The Great]

Originally posted by History Guy
Ah ha, yes, but there is a major difference between the Code of Hammurabi and the Ten Commandments...that is: The Code of Hammurabi wasn't written up by God.

No, it was written by Marduk. You gotta look at it from both angles.

[Coracle]

Originally posted by aebrahim
If the Hebrews were ever to be in this expansion pack, they would have to be militaristic. While you're at it, why not have Hitler (oops I mean Ariel Sharon, but whats the difference) as the leader.

Yea.

And Joshua massacred everything that moved after he crossed the Jordan!



BTW, shouldn't it be "Israelites" and not "Hebrews"?

[Panag]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
why not Merkava IV

hi ,

, it should be 30/24/4 , .....

and one of the two UU's , ...

have a nice day

[SABRA]

could someone make a poll asking the question yes or no that we would like it in

maybe we just have to say yes or no here , and not go off-topic

[SeferKoheleth]

They should be Religious and Commercial (Jews played a central role in Middle Age commerce, as merchants and lenders, in both the Arab and Christian worlds).

Those who say they should be "militaristic" are either just plain Jew-haters (as evidenced by the nonsensical Hitler-crack) or totally ignorant of the ancient world (the Hebrews did conquer a few neighboring peoples, but never engaged in wholesale expansion or conquest campaigns outside of Israel).

Those who discount the Hebrew influence on history either have absolutely NO idea of the importance of Hebrew moral and religious ideas in the past 4000 years.... not to mention silly things such as OUR own Alphabet, which derives from the ancient Hebrew one (the Ancient Hebrew Alphabet served as a basis for the Greek Alphabet, which in turn became the Latin Alphabet-- ironically, the Modern Hebrew Alphabet is actually Bablyonian Aramaic)-- Alphabet for Aleph Bet. While some Jew-haters dispute this and claim the origin is Greek, one need only compare the Greek and Hebrew alphabets to see which came first. In Hebrew, "Bet" means house. In Greek "Beta" means nothing. In Hebrew, "Gimmal" means camel. In Greek, "Gamma" means nothing. In Hebrew, "Dalet" means door. In Greek, Delta means nothing. Need further proof as to which came first, and who borrowed from who?

Their Unique Unit should be the Maccabee, which would be an upgraded archer. Like the Archer, it would have a standard 3 attack points. However, INSIDE Hebrew territory it would have 5 attack points-- simulating Hebrew survival and resistance to Assyrian, Egyptian, Bablyonian, Greek, and Roman occupation.

The leader should be Soloman.

[Kingof the Apes]

Originally posted by SeferKoheleth
They should be Religious and Commercial (Jews played a central role in Middle Age commerce, as merchants and lenders, in both the Arab and Christian worlds).

That is a good idea.

Those who say they should be "militaristic" are either just plain Jew-haters (as evidenced by the nonsensical Hitler-crack) or totally ignorant of the ancient world (the Hebrews did conquer a few neighboring peoples, but never engaged in wholesale expansion or conquest campaigns outside of Israel).

lol, I am not a Jew hater; most of my close friends are Jewish. My view on them being militaristic was that they fought a LOT of wars in the Old Testament,and also after 1948 when they have almost constantly been at war with their surrounding countries.

Their Unique Unit should be the Maccabee, which would be an upgraded archer. Like the Archer, it would have a standard 3 attack points. However, INSIDE Hebrew territory it would have 5 attack points-- simulating Hebrew survival and resistance to Assyrian, Egyptian, Bablyonian, Greek, and Roman occupation.

The leader should be Soloman.

An archer with three attack would be good. I dont think the 5 attack would work well, because It would be invincible on attack until the Middle Ages.


Their leader should be David.

[Panag]

hi ,

who should be the great leaders , .....

lets say 12-15 in total , ...

should "Samson" be in , ....

have a nice day

[Signa]

Quick comment on the UU...

Zealot (3.2.2) replaces Swordsman

O_o

[Kingof the Apes]

That is WAY too powerful, at the same price as a horseman?

I say archer with 3 attack.

[Rust]

I think in order to keep within historical context the Hebrews should be given Commercial, Religious, Militaristic, and Scientific all together. Than in realistic world maps the outcome would fit with reality.