attn Firaxis: Petition for the Hebrews

[Rust]

Unique unit could be a unique helicopter that actually served a purpose in the game. I think they use helicpoters quite frequently, don't they.

[Ribannah]

My suggestion for the Hebrew UU is the Meragel (spy), as a 1-1-1 unit (10 shields) with +1 sight (that's 3 squares from a mountaintop ).

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Rust
I think in order to keep within historical context the Hebrews should be given Commercial, Religious, Militaristic, and Scientific all together. Than in realistic world maps the outcome would fit with reality.

Yeah, then with all those advantages the Hebrews could conquer the world, as they did in reality

[SpencerH]

A spy type units sounds like a good idea for a UU, but I dont think it would fit into the game mechanism very well. How would a 1-1-1 unit generate a GA for example?

[sabrewolf]

i don't think neither firaxis nor infogrames will decide to put in the hebrew. ofcourse, the religious influence on the world was enormouse, but the decision would be waaaaayyyy too political. it such critical times as a game designer, you cannot put in something like that.

for the same reason hitler and stalin didn't make it to be leaders. it's all about being politically correct.... am i right?

btw: zulu's made it in because there would otherwise be no other (non-mediterranian) african civ. spain and the dutch not, because europe would be even more overcrowded on the world map (england, france, germany, rome, greece and russia).

now in XP1 (PTW) there'll be celts (or vikings?) and spain in too... and maybe more?

from geographical point of view, we need more on the
- american continents: indios (south), maya (northern part of south america), aztecs (central america and mexico), iroquois and/or sioux and maybe the inuit (canada, alaska)
- african continent: my ethnic knowledge of africa is miserable, but some nation in the region of nigeria and something down in south africa.
- australia: hey, australia as starting location would HEAVEN on big maps because it's easy to defend and big enough (british isles are way too small for >2 cities).
- something in middle asian region (around kazakhstan maybe)

europe has plenty,
eastern-asia too (china, india, japan, new: mongols),
middle east also (egypt, bablylon, turkey, persia, greece is near too)

so even if hebrew should be in... from geographical reasons, there is no need... au contraire! and because of the present situation anyway not...

but all of you are free to use the editor UU's will be around soon...

[Quasar1011]

My vote: they are in. Call them Hebrews, not Israelites. They should be commercial and religious. Leader should be David, not Solomon. UU? I'd better go read up some more before I cast that vote!

And, I definitely want to see the DUTCH in an expansion pack!!!

[Panag]

hi ,

in this thread its ones again proven that more then one UU for each civ is welcome , .....

in the old days we could have little David's , with a stone slingshot , ......

and in the new days , a piece of modern armour that rocks , .....

have a nice day

[Verto]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
for the same reason hitler and stalin didn't make it to be leaders. it's all about being politically correct.... am i right?

They might have been excluded due to the fact that Hitler ruled for a relatively short period of time, as did Stalin.

True, Stalin's purges and Hitler's master race scheme might have had something to do with their being left out...

from geographical point of view, we need more on the
- american continents: indios (south), maya (northern part of south america), aztecs (central america and mexico), iroquois and/or sioux and maybe the inuit (canada, alaska)
- african continent: my ethnic knowledge of africa is miserable, but some nation in the region of nigeria and something down in south africa.
- australia: hey, australia as starting location would HEAVEN on big maps because it's easy to defend and big enough (british isles are way too small for >2 cities).
- something in middle asian region (around kazakhstan maybe)

The reason these civilizations were left out was probably because they had a relatively small impact on world history.

As for Hebrews, I agree that Israelites might be a better term. Religious and Militaristic(if the Old Testament was made into a movie, it would be R...)Leader and GLs? Moses , Solomon, David, Aaron, etc. I'd have to go get the Bible to continue the list.

UU? Slingshot guy or archer. Prophet?

Wonders? Ten Commandments, Law of Moses - decrease corruption.

I can see the religious/political repercussions, maybe what kept The Powers from putting it in the XP.

I'm sure we'll have Hebrew/Israelite mods, probably even Catholic, Baptist and Mormon mods. (Hehe, Mormon UU: Missionaries, cause cities to defect...Wonder: Nauvoo Temple...hm....)

I'm beginning to ramble OT, so I'll go join Homer in eating mayonnaise...

[Mr. President]

The Old Testament is considered literature by Jews, not truth.

I find it quite strange to assign civilizations traits, since there's an extremely good chance that the people in question would not agree with what you assigned them . . .

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Verto
They might have been excluded due to the fact that Hitler ruled for a relatively short period of time, as did Stalin.

what do you consider as long? jeanne d'arc never ruled france at all (just some troups) and is in the game.
btw: hitler came to power in 1933 and dominated until 1945. that's 12 years of ruling with (one of) the biggest impact in last centurie's history. before that he had quite a lot of power with his civil army (SS, SA)

stalin in fact ruled even longer: 1924 to 1954... 30 years!!! probably older than jeanne d'arc even was

The reason these civilizations were left out was probably because they had a relatively small impact on world history.

of course... i was just saying it for the purpose of geographical spread... the inuit, kasakhs, indios, etc. had very little impact (afaik)

As for Hebrews, I agree that Israelites might be a better term. Religious and Militaristic(if the Old Testament was made into a movie, it would be R...)Leader and GLs? Moses , Solomon, David, Aaron, etc. I'd have to go get the Bible to continue the list.

i agree with thouse traits. scientific (some proposed) is only quite a new "real life" trait.

Wonders? Ten Commandments, Law of Moses - decrease corruption.

Worders? Why wonders? No civ has own wonders...

I'm sure we'll have Hebrew/Israelite mods, probably even Catholic, Baptist and Mormon mods. (Hehe, Mormon UU: Missionaries, cause cities to defect...Wonder: Nauvoo Temple...hm....)

oh, these UUs could be fun: add to population, convert people into highly religious ones and when 50% are strong believers: loose all tech but have temples, synagoges, mosques, churches, etc. for free

[Panag]

Originally posted by Mr. President
The Old Testament is considered literature by Jews, not truth.

I find it quite strange to assign civilizations traits, since there's an extremely good chance that the people in question would not agree with what you assigned them . . .

hi ,

intresting for you , but the jews dont agree , ......

lets keep some things in the OT , ....

as for the second part , no-one should "assign" anything , ...

have a nice day

[Verto]

The Old Testament is considered literature by Jews, not truth.

I find it quite strange to assign civilizations traits, since there's an extremely good chance that the people in question would not agree with what you assigned them . . .

I'm puzzled about the OT part...I thought the Jews accepted the Old Testament as scripture/etc, but not the New Testament? Perhaps someone knowledgeable about such things could enlighten me...

How concerned were you about how the Germans might feel to be considered warmongers? I haven't seen anyone thus far complain about how the assigned traits might not be agreeable with everyone, but that's life.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Verto


I'm puzzled about the OT part...I thought the Jews accepted the Old Testament as scripture/etc, but not the New Testament? Perhaps someone knowledgeable about such things could enlighten me...

hi ,

why should a jew do so , only to get his behind canned after 5 min , .....nope , and this stuff is OT

have a nice day

[SeferKoheleth]

Originally posted by Mr. President
The Old Testament is considered literature by Jews, not truth.

I find it quite strange to assign civilizations traits, since there's an extremely good chance that the people in question would not agree with what you assigned them . . .

That's mostly wrong. Reform and Conservative Jews believe the Bible to be a mixture of history, myth, poetry, and literature. Most Reform and Conservative Jews, for example, acknowlege the history of the later kings, Ezra and Nehemia as truth, while questioning events such as the Exodus.

Orthodox and traditional Jews (a 10% minority in the present-day US, but clearly a majority in Jewish history, and probably about 40% of Jews worldwide today) accept the entire "Old Testement" as truth, with the exception of books such as Job and Daniel, about which there is some debate.

While the Bible portrays the Israelites as militaristic, it their actual period of conquest wasn't very long. Keep in mind that in antiquity, the Israelites were far from being considered "militaristic"-- unlike the Greeks or Romans or Babylonians or Assyrians or Egyptians the Israelities never conquered large tracts of land or subjugated massive numbers of people- only small tribes such as Edom and the Phillistines.

Consequently, religious and commercial make the best match.

[F18fett]

Why not a prophet? He could convert enemy cities and units and utterly obliterate those that resist conversion. Of course, giving the Hebrews servant of God might overpower them