How to fix the UN

[Andrew_Jay]

Japan has been an industrial nation for well over one hundred years, they didn't suddenly become industrialised 50 years ago and pull themselves out of poverty. It was one hundred years ago this year actually that they went to war with, and defeated, Russia, so actually they've been industrialised since about the mid to late 1800's. Korea and Singapore were never really poor either. Both being colonies (of Japan and Great Britain respectively) they did fairly well prior to 50 years ago, though to be fair, greater urbanisation etc, did occur since the end of the war.

[Indignator]

The term 3rd world originated to describe unalllied nations during the Cold War (i.e. neither Western nor Communist). In common parlance though, it means poor, unindustrialized countries-- precisely what Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore were 50 years ago-- before capitalism, relatively free trade, and foreign investment made them wealthy. Note that I called them "formerly 3rd world."

Actually, it is because you wrote formally 3rd world countries. It's cool, I agree with you here, they were poor (except Japan), and free trade might have helped them.

I've lived in Mexico (born there), Bolivia, and Zaire (now the Congo), so I do know what I'm talking about you arrogant sh*t. Real third worlders don't protest globalization-- they want their jobs in the Nike factory earning $.70 cents an hour because its preferable to child prostitution or starvation. That might sound harsh, but it's the truth.

Well then you answered my question. I said I wasn't trying to be sarcastic.

If you don't think the Euro-scum have worse trade regulation than the US, you don't know geopolitics. The French are probably the worse, but the EU doles out billions to farmers and has trade regulations so dense that only a few favored former colonies can get in.

Actually, I don't know geopolitics. In the original post you said that Europe is 10x worse than US - you didn't say anything about trade regulations or anything.

What pissed me of in your post is your post was your demand that Europe stop their policies, and the misunderstanding about Japan, etc. being 'formerly' 3rd world countries. In any case, you obviously know more about this stuff than me, so I surrender. No need to call people s***.

[alva]

whatever the changes made by the U.N. (civ3-not IRL ), for game balance, they should favour the smaller civs. As the AI starts to break in the modern era. Wich it does.This could be a nice boost and should make the latter stages of the game generally more interesting .

It would be nice to complete at least one game once

[Panag]

Originally posted by alva848
whatever the changes made by the U.N. (civ3-not IRL ), for game balance, they should favour the smaller civs. As the AI starts to break in the modern era. Wich it does.This could be a nice boost and should make the latter stages of the game generally more interesting .

It would be nice to complete at least one game once

hi ,

, a small nation with some favours , .....they could start to think that they can take over the world , ....
it would be intresting , to see a small nation getting bigger and bigger , swallowing other nations , ....
nice idea

have a nice day

[Verto]

Originally posted by Indignator And just who are you to say what European nations should do?

Likewise goes for the world telling America what to do. United States is criticized about everything, from SUV's to throwing our weight around, although the same people who complain about the US don't mind our foreign aid. I believe during the 70's or 80's, the U.S was giving upwards of 70% of the world's foreign aid. Not to mention that the U.S. has forgiven other nations of the debt they owe, or that the U.S. is the reason the UN is still around. The American people under God will run America, not socialists.

However, this is off topic. I do actually have something to add about the Civ UN. Certainly the fact that PtW will be 8 human players, there will be greater freedom in diplomacy and trade.

Here are my ideas, which I posted on a diff. thread: once the UN is built, players are given the option to join it. Those who become members will have 5 or 10 gp deducted from their treasury, which will go to a UN fund. The player who whens the UN election will have the option of building peacekeepers or improvements, or maybe pay for improvements that are relevant to any treaties passed(like recycling centers for Kyoto,etc).

If one country declares war on the other, they can petition the UN to intervene and restore peace, or something of that nature, and the peacekeepers will go in if the members vote to do so. Maybe add more UN-related victories, suboptions. Total nuclear disarmament(this would be viable only if the AI is fixed so it will build more than 1 or 2 nukes). These victories won't end the game, but add to your civilization's total happiness or culture, or add points to the end score.

And I really want to see "summits" or "conferences", maybe one every hundred years or perhaps when a new Age begins, where players can get together and argue. Otherwise I may have to start sending death threats again...