Final Civ: Korea

[Dinner]

I actually think Korea will be in the expansion pack because Korea is a big software consumer. I just can't hide my disappointment that other more deserving civs didn't make the cut.

[thinkingamer]

Originally posted by Oerdin


No, when I say world impact I mean being an active military/economic/political force in many different parts of the world. To continue the previous example countries that have had large overseas positions (such as Holland, Portugal, or even Turkey) would qualify while regional powers such as Korea, Afganistan, and others would not.

Oerdin.... imperializim is a western world value, not a Eastern one. But yes, in ur point of view, Korea doesnt deserve to be in the expansion. But for Koreans surviveving for more than 3000 years is a value.

Besides, while someone can consider an overseapower influence a possitive influence, it can also be a negative influence to others. I mean, all South American nations that were influenced by the Spanish thinks that what Spanish did to them was not right, and they have their own identity (which in overall its not necessary a good influence).

[CivGeneral]

Korean War: The Forgoten War and other trivia of the new Civ

I dont mind Korea being in the expantion pack. The Koreans would be a perfict civilization for a Korean War Scenario. ( I just hope Firaxis include the MiG-15 and the F-86 Saber ). The Americans can represent the UN forces while the Koreans represents there northern counterpart, China would be in the scenario too. I dont remember what role China played in the Korean war but I do remember MacArthur wanted to go pass the river bordering the two countries. Thankfuly Truman held him back (and removed him from his possition.) If MacArthur did went pased "The river bordering China and North Korea" the result would be a nuclear war.
Korea defenatly has a lot of culture and history. They defenatly do not want China and Japan on there land (Correct me if I am wrong), the same thing with Vieatnam. The Vietnamies did not what Chiniese troops on there turf.

You're wrong. Europe and Asia are clearly one continent arbitrarily divided in two to perpetuate a false distinction between its peoples. Therefore? Poland is in Asia too. - Bisonbison

I guess thats why modern geography books in school calls Europe and Asia Euroasia

I think Korea is tops. It's a great peninsula, even better than florida! - Bisonbison

Only one problem. The winters are harsh. (See any History book, They usualy show some of the Korean War pictures in the winter season. Quite plesent in the summer and harsh in the winter. With the exception of the peninsula whitch is larger than Florada, Korea does not resemble Florada, It resembles more like the Albany area of New York state.

5. People who don't want a Korean civ hate Koreans.

You're wrong. People who do want a Korean civ hate Koreans, because including a Korean civ will likely increase sales of Civ3 in South Korea, thereby keeping more South Koreans inactive in front of their computers instead of outside beating Italy in the world cup. Now who hates Koreans? You do!

As I said before, I dont mind Korea . For any people who do not like the Koreans, There is always the editor that comes with the game to rename them (The Civ's name.

I dont think that will change but what will there UU be?
Cathrage cant have elephants since India has them already? And what about Vikings, will they copy off AoE, Bersekers?
-TrueLight

The Viking can have two UU. The Bersekers (Or Huskarl), and the Longboat (More supperior version of the Galley that has the abbility to stop on ocean tiles with out sinking)

The Cathrage can have a diffrent version of the elephants than the Indians and would be advalible earlyer than the Indian's Elephant unit

[Dr. Stiby]

Suggestion for one of the Great Leaders of the Korean Civ:

Guus Hiddink!*

When you see the current reactions of the Koreans towards the World Cup results of their team, I seriously think Koreans will approve to this idea.


*for the Americans and other peoplke who don't like football among you, he's the manager of the Korean squad, and not only guided them to their first ever WC win, but so far all the way to the semis.

[Gangerolf]

Re: Korean War: The Forgoten War and other trivia of the new Civ

Originally posted by Civfan01

The Viking can have two UU. The Bersekers (Or Huskarl), and the Longboat (More supperior version of the Galley that has the abbility to stop on ocean tiles with out sinking)

don't know about the longboat, but we've got pretty sound evidence they are getting the berserker:

http://apolyton.net/civ3/images/view.shtml?ptwscreenshots/Radar-and-Airfield.jpg

[Gangerolf]

maybe it's like a swordsman + ability to make amphibious assaults

[CivGeneral]

don't know about the longboat, but we've got pretty sound evidence they are getting the berserker: -Gangerolf

The Vikings are still building there berserkers in thw modern era.
I guess that where the term "Dont go Berserk" came from.

Ok back on topic:

Suggestion for one of the Great Leaders of the Korean Civ: Guus Hiddink!* -Gangerolf

Can anyone find other Famous Korean Leaders/Generals to add to the names in the Great Leaders?

[Tridotan1]

By reading most of this thread it seems blindingly obvious that only one of the Ottomans and the Arabs exist. They are both Arabs, they both have bits of evidence here and there and, afterall it would be quite clever, from a marketing point of view, to keep the final civ under wraps until relaease date.
I think we can keep guessing about one more civ, maybe since so many people think they should exist it will be the Hebrews, or perhaps the Polish, Canadians, Australians, Incas or Austrians. Who knows?

[Imran Siddiqui]

it seems blindingly obvious that only one of the Ottomans and the Arabs exist. They are both Arabs, they both have bits of evidence here and there and, afterall it would be quite clever, from a marketing point of view, to keep the final civ under wraps until relaease date.

Some Turk is going to kill you for that. And I hope they are both in.

[GeneralTacticus]

No, when I say world impact I mean being an active military/economic/political force in many different parts of the world. To continue the previous example countries that have had large overseas positions (such as Holland, Portugal, or even Turkey) would qualify while regional powers such as Korea, Afganistan, and others would not.

That would also disqualify Persia, Babylon, Egypt, Rome, Greece, Zululand, Aztecs and Iroqouis at least.

[Q Classic]

so true. i have to say, korea hasn't had the benefit of persian, babylonaian, egyptian, roman, greek, zulu, aztec, iroquois, portuguese, spanish, italian, polish...

[siredgar]

It is apparent that many of you have not even studied Korean history prior to the 17th Century. If you had, you would recognize that the Koreans established one of the greatest civilizations in history.

It is quite interesting to note that there are posters here citing Japanese occupation (1910-1945), the Korean War (1950-1953), and the rags-to-riches story of Korean economic recovery (1960-1990) as factors to determining Korea as a "worthy" civilization. People, these are ALL events from the 20th Century!

Indeed, it is unfair to judge a civilization with over 5,000 years of history based on a single century. For those of you that do, why don't you apply the same logic to Greece or Egypt?

Korea has one of the longest-lasting and yet most advanced civilizations of the world:

Did you know that the Koreans defeated the Chinese many, many times, even leading to the collapse of the Sui Dynasty?

Did you know that at one point Koreans controlled most of Manchuria and parts of Siberia-- territory nearly the size of all of Western Europe?

Did you know that the Koreans provided the roots of Japanese civilization and that just last year the Emperor of Japan acknowledged Korean ancestry?

Did you know that the Koreans invented the world's first...
1. ironclad warship
2. printing press
3. meterological measuring device
among other things?

Did you know that during a time when nearly everyone in Europe and Asia relied on either the Greek (Phoenician) or Chinese (Han) writing systems, the Koreans invented a unique one that is now considered one of the world's most phonetically accurate?

The list goes on...

It is also interesting to note that Korea is one of the few civilizations to make a "comeback". While civilizations like Greece and Egypt have yet to emulate their former glory, it looks like Korea is well on its way.

Today, many of the advances in telecommunications, semiconductors, and biotechnology are emerging in Korea. It's society is making innovations in not only science, but the arts and culture. Korean pop culture (music, film, and TV) is sweeping Asia and Korean modern art and poetry is receiving wide recognition in Europe and the U.S.

But I still see Korea's most glorious period as primarily the 15th-16th Centuries and these most recent accomplishments during the late 1990's pale in comparison to anything acheived during this time.

So, please take everything into perspective before you judge an entire civilization.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
That would also disqualify Persia, Babylon, Egypt, Rome, Greece, Zululand, Aztecs and Iroqouis at least.

I didn't say it was the only consideration just one of many. You would have to judge a civ's accomplishments against the accomplishment's of it's contemperary peers.

Thus countries like Persia & all would still make it, however, I still find it daft that the Iroqouis were included instead of the Inca or Maya.