Improved City Lists and Leader Lists

[ranskaldan]

The current city lists and leader lists in civ3 are, frankly, quite messy, since they leave out important cities/leaders and items are sometimes misspelled.

Is there any possibility that Firaxis is going to improve these lists, esp. the city lists which haven't changed since Civ2?

Edit:
For readability purposes, the updated list is now in this first post.

CITY LISTS:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52331

HEROES LISTS:

Roman Heroes List:
1. Claudius
2. Trajan
3. Attilius Regulus
4. Octavian
5. Scipio Africanus
6. Diocletian
7. Arbogast
8. Mark Aurelius
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Babylonian Heroes List:
1. Ensha Gkushanna
2. Eannatum
3. Sargon
4. Naram-Sin
5. Chedorlaomer
6. Nabuchodonosor
7. Gudea
8. Zaggisi
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Iroquois Heroes List:
1. Tyendinaga
2. Canaqueese
3. Canassatego
4. Akiatonharokwen
5. Kiontwogky
6. Dekanawidah
7. Tiyanoga
8. Honyere Tehawenkarogwen
9. Sagoyewatha
10. Skenandoah
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Japanese Heroes List:
1. Motonari
2. Nobunaga
3. Katsuie
4. Takeda
5. Tadatsugu
6. Uesugi
7. Yoma****a
8. Hirohito
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French Heroes List:
1. Philip Augustus
2. Godefroi de Bouillon
3. Raymond St. Gilles
4. Marshal Turenne
5. La Faillette
6. Napoleon
7. De Gaulle
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Egyptian Heroes List:
1. Na'rmer
2. Weni
3. Mentuhotep II
4. Senusret
5. Kamose
6. Tuthmose
7. Ramses
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Chinese Heroes List:
1. Sun Tzu
2. Liu Bang
3. Zhuge Liang
4. Cao Cao
5. Li Shimin
6. Yue Fei
7. Zhu Yuanzhang
8. Qianlong
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German Heroes List:
1. Hermann the Cherusker
2. Friedrich I 'Barbarossa'
3. Friedrich II the Great
4. Bluecher
5. Moltke
6. Manstein
7. Rommel
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Persian Heroes List
1. Cyrus the Great
2. Cambyses II
3. Darius the Great
4. Surenas
5. Mithridates
6. Chosroes II
7. Shakh Ismail
8. Megabazus
9. Abbas
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Zulu Heroes List:
1. Nehanda
2. Dingane
3. Mpande
4. Ntshingwayo
5. Nongalaza
6. Dabulamanzi
7. Prince Mbilini
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Indian Heroes List:
1. Chandragupta Maurya
2. Bindusara
3. Ashoka
4. Shivaji
5. Smadragupta
6. Chandragupta II
7. Babur
8. Aqbar
9. Porus
10. Tilak
11. Indira Ghandi
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American Hero List:
1. Washington
2. Sherman
3. Lee
4. Grant
5. Fremont
6. Pershing
7. Patton
8. MacArthur
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Greek Heroes List:
1. Achilleas
2. Leonidas
3. Pericles
4. Belisarius
5. Basil Bulgaroctonos
6. Kolokotronis
7. Paulos Melas
8. Themistokles
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Aztec Heroes List:
1. Cuauhtemoc
2. Cuitlahuac
3. Axayacatl
4. Itzcoatl
5. Ahuitzotl
6. Huitzilihuitli
7. Benito Juarez
8. General Zapata
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Russian Heroes List:
1. Svyatoslav
2. Nevskii
3. Donskoi
4. Peter the Great
5. Suvorov
6. Kutuzov
7. Denis Davydov
8. Zhukov
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English Heroes List:
1. Alfred the Great
2. Harold Godwineson
3. Richard the Lionheart
4. Edward I "Longshanks"
5. Henry V
6. Duke of Marlborough
7. James Wolfe
8. Wellington
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Mongol Heroes List:
1. Subedey
2. Jebe
3. Hulagu Khan
4. Kublai Khan
5. Batu Khan
6. Mamay
7. Amursana
8. Sukhe Baatar
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BARBARIAN ENCAMPMENTS:

American Barbarian List:
1. Cherokee
2. Anasazi
3. Toltec
4. Olmec
5. Zapotec
6. Chehalis
7. Chinook
8. Apache
9. Illinois
10. Inuit
11. Navajo
12. Carib
13. Sioux
14. Mohican
15. Delaware
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European Barbarian List:
1. Saxon
2. Angle
3. Magyar
4. Patzinak
5. Pict
6. Avar
7. Alemanni
8. Burgundian
9. Gepid
10. Hun
11. Jute
12. Marcomanni
13. Cuman
14. Tatar
15. Samoyed
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Mediterranean Barbarian List:
1. Dacian
2. Illyrian
3. Thracian
4. Phrygian
5. Messapian
6. Ligurian
7. Samnit
8. Cimmerian
9. Numidian
10. Sarmatian
11. Scythian
12. Seljuk
13. Vandal
14. Goth
15. Bulgar
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Middle Eastern & African Barbarian List:
1. Nubian
2. Chircassian
3. Hurrian
4. Kassite
5. Bantu
6. Khoisan
7. Uzbek
8. Turkmen
9. Ghuzz
10. Sakae
11. Massaget
12. Elamite
13. Haldei
14. Ku****
15. Hyksos
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Far Eastern Barbarian List:
1. Yi
2. Nan-Yueh
3. Tong-Hu
4. Ainu
5. Polynesian
6. Hsien-Peh
7. Hsiung Nu
8. Kushan
9. Yue-Chi
10. Kyrgyz
11. Uygur
12. Tokhar
13. Tibetan
14. Viet
15. Khmer

Generic:
Barbarian

[Spiffor]

Someone (I forgot the name) made an extensive city list for all Civs, which is in Marla's map. If you don't want to download the map, I also applied this list in my mod (see sig).

Firaxis : maybe you should include this city list in the next patch, so that it will be considered a default rule by MP players ? (we know most people will play the standard rules)

[Imp. Montezuma]

Another needed fix: barbarians list.
Harappan appears twice. Saxon appears in American Culture Group etc. Khazak/Khazar?Patzinal/Patzinac mis-spellings. Celt/Gaul Hun/Hsung-Nu are same tribes.

Edit: list removed

[civman2000]

hmmm...2 maybe 3 will be turned into civs, i wonder whether firaxis will remember to remove them from the barbarians list...

[ranskaldan]

There was a thread some way back regarding Hero names:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...5&pagenumber=7.

[ranskaldan]

edit:

heroes list is now in first post.

[civman2000]

modern japanese GL: Hirohito

[ranskaldan]

thanks, civman2000.
the concern that i have is that hirohito is connotative of ww2 and therefore might not be very appropriate.

Also, can anyone provide good, detailed heroes lists for the new civs in ptw, like for the mongols, spaniards, arabs, etc?

[Imp. Montezuma]

Mongol GL 1st effort:
Subedey - warlord of Ginghis
Jebe - warlord of Ginghis
Hulagu Khan - ruler of Middle east
Hubilay (kublai) Khan - Conqueror of China
Batu Khan - Golden Orda, conqueror of West
Mamay - warlord of Golden Orda
Amursana - warlord of Jungars, ancestors of Mongol Power in native Mongolia, national Hero
Sukhe Baatar - warlord and ruler of Mongolia in early XX

[ranskaldan]

Thank you.

Anyone else has ideas for corrections and additions?

(Also, we should probably start thinking about the city lists. I've made a Chinese City List that includes a lot more ancient cities, and I think this should also be done with the Indians, Germans, Russians, and so on.)

[civman2000]

Napoleon can be in but Hirohito can't?? Nothing against Napoleon, but the same sort of thing could be said against him being a GL too

[ranskaldan]

Alright, point taken.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Change American leaders name to
Washington
Sherman
Lee
David Crockette
John Fremont
Pershing
Patton
MacArthur

[ranskaldan]

Right.

1. Washington
2. Grant
3. Lee
4. Pershing
5. Sherman
6. Jackson
7. MacArthur
8. Patton

becomes

1. Washington
2. Sherman
3. Lee
4. David Crockette
5. John Fremont
6. Pershing
7. Patton
8. MacArthur

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Yeah, I got rid of Grant because we wanst a great leader: all he did was bash his troops in frontal charges against Lees Army of Northern Virginia
I put David Crockette because he was an explorer and also died in the Alamo.
John Fremont, another explorer, founded the Bear Flag Republic and also fought in the Mexican - American war