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  • #31
    Right....

    In progress.
    Poor silly humans. A temporarily stable pattern of matter and energy stumbles upon self-cognizance for a moment, and suddenly it thinks the whole universe was created for its benefit. -- mbelleroff

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    • #32
      Alright, done.

      Oh yes, does anyone know if there is an 8-hero limit for each civ?
      In Kickasso's thread, such a limit was mentioned, which is why most of the heroes lists have only eight heroes per civ.
      Poor silly humans. A temporarily stable pattern of matter and energy stumbles upon self-cognizance for a moment, and suddenly it thinks the whole universe was created for its benefit. -- mbelleroff

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Trip
        And you may want to change the Russian leader Kutuzov to Kutusov (as it's normally spelled in English).
        Oh no! 'Kutusov' is very wrong. Keep 'Kutuzov'. Please search in Google for Mikhail Illarionovich Kutuzov or for 'Kutuzov' Orden Sign or for city. 'Kutuzov' used to. And 'Kutusov' and 'Kutuzov' are _different_ lastnames.
        For Russians Kutusov are very ridiculous, I think.
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        • #34
          I'm not Russian, and neither is most of the people who play this game. In English the name is Kutusov.

          Anyways, this, an exerpt from Osprey Military's Austerlitz: Battle of the Three Emperors by David G. Chandler:

          "Aged 60, the son of a military engineer, Kutusov's service had begun in the artillery of Catherine the Great. From the gunners he had transferred to the new jaeger formations and had rapidly risen to command that corps. Between 1764 and 1769 he had campaigned with growing distinction in Poland and the Kuraine, and then from 1770 to 1774 in the Crimea against the Turks, during which period he had lost an eye in action. This wound was followed by the receipt of a shot in the head at the siege of Ochakov in 1788, but he recovered from this in time to play a distinguished role in the operations that cleared the Turks from the importatn towns of Odessa, Benda, and Ismail.
          ...
          Today, Kutusov is still regarded with awe and approval in the USSR [written 1990]."

          Etc. etc. etc.



          Go to google.com, search for Kutuzov and Kutusov. Tell me which you find more accurate hits of.
          Last edited by Jon Shafer; June 9, 2002, 16:27.

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          • #35
            Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Cyrillic on the painting read "Kutuzov"?

            (And to repeat my question: Is there an 8-hero limit for each civilization?)
            Poor silly humans. A temporarily stable pattern of matter and energy stumbles upon self-cognizance for a moment, and suddenly it thinks the whole universe was created for its benefit. -- mbelleroff

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            • #36
              No, it says Kymy3ob silly.

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              • #37
                Russian leaders

                Despite how some authors may have erroneously spelled it, the proper spelling of the name is Kutuzov. No one who knows the language would ever transliterate Cyrillic z > Roman s. I would question the bona fides of a historian who used the wrong spelling.

                Here are the leaders, their names transliterated for that touch of authenticity, that I use for Russia. I'm not an expert on military leaders, but I believe these are well regarded in that respect. People like Lenin and Stalin don't fit this category.

                Svyatoslav
                Alexandr Nevskii
                Dmitrii Donskoi
                Ivan Groznyi
                Petr Velikii
                Alexandr Suvorov
                Mikhail Kutuzov
                Georgii Zhukov
                Last edited by Purple; June 9, 2002, 17:11.

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                • #38
                  Alright, list has been updated.
                  Is Petr Velikii = Peter the Great?
                  Poor silly humans. A temporarily stable pattern of matter and energy stumbles upon self-cognizance for a moment, and suddenly it thinks the whole universe was created for its benefit. -- mbelleroff

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                  • #39
                    Yes.

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                    • #40
                      Use the actual spelling; as it would translate from the language. I agree good historians don't change the names. That would be like taking your name, and changing it to what it would be in another language and calling you that.

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                      • #41
                        Some spell it Pyotr to reflect the sound, but in Russian the vowels "ye" and "yo" are considered the same letter. It is pronounced "yo" when stressed.

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                        • #42
                          He seems High Gamer. You know. From Fanatics.


                          Kutuzov, Mikhail Ilarionovich mēkhəyēlˈ ēləryônˈəvĭch ko͝oto͞oˈzəf [key], 1745–1813, Russian field marshal. He fought against the Polish Confederation of Bar (see Bar, Confederation of) and served in the Russo-Turkish Wars of 1768–74


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                          • #43
                            Re: Russian leaders

                            Originally posted by Purple
                            Despite how some authors may have erroneously spelled it, the proper spelling of the name is Kutuzov. No one who knows the language would ever transliterate Cyrillic z > Roman s. I would question the bona fides of a historian who used the wrong spelling.

                            Here are the leaders, their names transliterated for that touch of authenticity, that I use for Russia. I'm not an expert on military leaders, but I believe these are well regarded in that respect. People like Lenin and Stalin don't fit this category.

                            Svyatoslav
                            Alexandr Nevskii
                            Dmitrii Donskoi
                            Ivan Groznyi
                            Petr Velikii
                            Alexandr Suvorov
                            Mikhail Kutuzov
                            Georgii Zhukov
                            You are right.
                            CiviPort

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Imp. Montezuma
                              He seems High Gamer. You know. From Fanatics.



                              BTW Me as barbarian from moomboo-yoomboo tribe listen names like George Bush as 'zhosh-bosh'.

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                              • #45

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                                Spell it how you like, because there is no 'official' way. Yes, he himself spelled it Kutuzov, but nearly ever source I've seen says "Kutusov", which is generally how it is accepted in English. if you disagree, fine, I won't lose sleep. You have it your way, and I'll have it my way.

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