New Governments in XP?

[Jon Shafer]

Socialism and communism are actually different categories of the same thing basically. Socialism refers to government control of the economy, while Communism is government control of everything about a society. Therefore, I would prefer if Communism was placed as a type of government, rather than an economy type, for purposes of accuracy (besides, what would be different if they were both under the same category?).

[player1]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Huh? No, reverse that. True Democracy only works in a small society, ideally a city-state, as it entails every citizen having a direct vote in matters of state. Anything large, like the United States, is actually a representative Republic, where civil functions are put in the hands of elected representatives.

I am not talking about true democracy.
I am talking about MODERN democracy. (with maybe federal or confederal system if country is large enough)

[Miznia]

If I remember from all the stuff I had to read for PoliSci, the modern (or "scholarly"?) usages of "democracy" and "republic" were that a "democracy" is any govt with free elections etc. etc. (U.S., Britain, France, Japan, etc etc), and "republic" is a sub-category of "democracy," one which is headed by a president.

The civilopedia, if I recall, says:
Republic: collection of autonomous city-states
Democracy: something headed by a president (i.e. the "republic" from above)

Among others, I find these in an online dictionary:
Democracy: Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
Republic: A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.

But I suppose a better question is what the govt types are supposed to represent within the game...

[nationalist]

Originally posted by monkspider
Yeah, I like miss the social engineering too.
But if we must have Civ 3 style governments, we could stand to have Socialism, Fascism, and Theocracy. Granted we can just add these in the editor, but I would like to have more ways to distinguish between different governments, right now there just is not enough options. Certainly, when I crush Fascist Pig-dogs I want them to have the true properties of Fascist pig-dogs.

I hate it when my glorious Fascist armies call me "Comrade"

[lockstep]

Originally posted by nationalist
I hate it when my glorious Fascist armies call me "Comrade"

Well, you should be able to change this in the editor.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by player1
Democracy: more effecive for bigger nations, republic should be better for smaller civs.

Agree

[jadlakha]

Fascism and Communism go under the same category. They are both totalitarian governments, where the government has complete control over the lives of its individual citizens. In fascism, the government has complete control of all the businesses, and a fascist government is basically run by big business. The government has control of all the major industries. Its great for wartime economies especially since all production is controlled by government. In a way all governments do change to fascism during wars, because they control production of military supplies etc. Quite efficient for making massive war machines. I think military units should cost a lot less under fascism if the government is added. Actually Fascism isnt really a government itself, its more of an economic system, like capatilism. Communism is the exact opposite type of government. It too is more of an economic system. However communism and facsism is opposite in that workers run the governtment in communism.

To sum things up-
Fascism- Big Business and Industry
Communism-Workers and Laborers

[Dom Pedro II]

Thinking of the political spectrum with Communism on the far left and Fascism on the far right is not a particularly accurate model. They are not opposites of each other, and if anything the opposite of both of them is a liberal, capitalist, democratic society with as little government as possible. It's better to think of the political spectrum as a circle with Communism and Fascism right next to each other but starting from opposite directions.

[cody8200]

Well I agree that socialists and communists aren't as far away from each other's ideals that a political spectrum may make it seem but they still have quite differing opinions. There have been times when they have tried to team up together in modern societies such as France in the 1900's but eventually they break apart finding their ideologies too different. Both believe in making things better for the working class. Communism says that after a while there will be no need for a government...while socialism has never stood for that.

[Panag]

hi ,


who would not want new governments in civ3 , ....maybe a total of 10 would be good

have a nice day

[Andrew_Jay]

Like mentioned earlier I think, one must distinguish between economics and government:

Communism: totalitarian governemt, socialist economy

Socialism: democratic/republican government, socialist economy (well, at least it should be, to distinguish from communism)

Fascism: totalitarian govvernment, capitalist economy

[Imran Siddiqui]

While we'd all like new governments, for whatever reason I don't think we'll get any inserted into the main game.

However, since they've said there will be a WW2 tile set (as well as feudal Japan) that must mean that there is a WW2 scenario... therefore, a Fascism government has probably been created for that scen, and using the editor, we can take a look at it and place it into the main game.

[Spiffor]

I don't think there will be new governments, except perharps in the scenarios... In my point of view, if I expect too much from the game, I'll be disappointed.
Speculating is fun, as long as you don't take it too seriously : look at all the whiners : they were awaiting the perfect game of their dreams, and put hyper high expectations. They had just a good game.

[Grrr]

Imran, it probably already is in the actual game.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I don't think there will be new governments, except perharps in the scenarios... In my point of view, if I expect too much from the game, I'll be disappointed.
Speculating is fun, as long as you don't take it too seriously : look at all the whiners : they were awaiting the perfect game of their dreams, and put hyper high expectations. They had just a good game.

hi ,


think positive , ...

have a nice day