Pool on XP Civs...

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Eroberer


Not trying to be funny, jackass. I just see all these "Apolytoners" in the Civ3 General forum being misled, and it makes me want to puke.

I can just imagine one of you retards started XP = expansion pack and the rest followed because their small existence pales in comparison to text on internet bulliten boards.

My, my aren´t we testy today... Do you think Microsoft owns the copyright to the letters X and P? It´s pretty obvious IMO what it´s aimed at here. Jeez, get a grip dude

[Zoid]

To post on-topic I´d say:

Mongols
Spain
Carthage
Celts
Turks
Arabs
Dutch
Inca/Maya

You have 4 old ones that where in Civ2 and you have 4 new ones that could be interesting. But I see a problem separating them in terms of playability. The difference between some of the civs we already have is insignificant, and now they will come up with ethnic characteristics for 8 new civs...

[Lucilla]

Kamrat X, I think the best way to deal with that kind of spam is just to ignore it. I guess, he will bore himself to death after some time. That's my XPerience, at least.

[ScreamingViking]

To be honest, sea and air specialty units are boring as hell. They should get rid of the F15 and the ManOWar.

Guaranteed Civs should be: Mongols (mounted archer/hordesman, Ghengis Khan), Vikings (berserker, Canute/Beowulf), Incans (Sun Warrior), and Spaniards (Conquistadors, Isabella).

Possibles are: Arabs/Turks, Israelis (not Hebrews), Carthage, Malian, Celts, Koreans.

Ones I'd like to see: Canadians (Peacekeeper UU), Polynesian, Dutch/Afrikaaner, Chinook (totem warrior), Thai, Mayans, or Australians. All have a snowballs chance in hell.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Lucilla
Kamrat X, I think the best way to deal with that kind of spam is just to ignore it. I guess, he will bore himself to death after some time. That's my XPerience, at least.

My XPerience is that these Youreabores tend to bore other people to death long before he bores themselves to death

If he whines too much we can always hope some mod will XPell him...

Oh, no now I opened the flood gates for a wave of XP-jokes...

[Sid1]

Off the wall/Alternative/Left field stuff

For starters, I do not find sea faring aspects of the game/units boring as was mentioned earlier in this thread. I enjoy lots of diversity in other civs and the interactions with them. I like the idea of some 'evil' civs to demonise and play against--and occasionally to experience for myself--a bit like Chairman Yang and The Human Hive in SMAC.

Anyway, the majors that you've all already mentioned may be there (Vikings [UU of 'Berserker'?], Mongols, Ethiopians, Mayans, etc.). Here are my 'preferred' alternatives:-

Inuit (or some other aboriginal/native society) with a special unit of 'Shaman' who acts as a quasi-leader. This civ would have some kind of inter-linked settlements--like Barbarians--as opposed to cities.

Atlantis: spiritual-based society with ocean-going galleys.

Phoenicians: sea-going galleys and special unit of 'Trader' who bypasses early restrictions on establishing trade [perhaps with similar stats to an Explorer].

Celts: UU of 'Female Warrior' with ability to restrict HP loss from Warrior/Archer/Spearman units nearby.

Another 'alternative'--each civ has two UUs. One for the early, or 'establishment' period of a civilisation, the other for the later 'modern' era. Something along the lines of 'spec ops' or SAS trops; + [additionally] a diplomat unit which can ease/enhance negotiations after the establishment of the United Nations.

Finally, I will be most interested to see how a post-Brian Reynolds/Tim Train Firaxis deals with a similar project to the SMAC/SMAX updates of the late 1990s.

[Jaguar]

Asia group: China, India, Japan Mongols
Middle East: Zulu, Persia, Babylon, Turks and Arabs
European: Russia, Germany, England, France, and Spain
North American: Aztecs, Americans, Iroquois, Mayans and Inca (Tupi? Apache?)
Mediterranean: Egypt, Greece, Rome, and Carthage

That leaves room for one surprise. I don't think the Vikings will get the pick because that would overcrowd the cultural group and Spain is more important. It would have to be mediterranean or Asian. I think Asia.

BTW who were the Khmer?

[Jaguar]

An idea: THe turks could become mediterranean and leave room for the Jews. Or the Spanish could be mediterranean and let the vikings in

[civman2000]

Signa: great suggestions, except arent the spanish and viking UUs a bit strong (+3 attack??, +1 attack AND ocean movement???)

[siredgar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And I doubt that the Koreans will be in. ESPECIALLY since the Mongols will probably be a shoo-in. Consider they are adding scenarios, so probably a world map with correct starting positions (one can hope). You'll have Mongols, Chinese, Japanese... what would you need (or place) the Koreans in there for?

I try to focus making comments on people's statements rather than hurling personal attacks. But I've noticed all of your comments are so insanely idiotic and based on a complete lack of knowledge of geography and history that you are officially on ignore.

[Mikhail]

My final bet:

Asia (5): China, India, Japan, Mongols, Koreans

Middle East (5): Zulu, Egypt, Persia, Babylon, Turks

European (5): Russia, Germany, England, France, Spain

North American (5): Aztecs, Americans, Iroquois, Inca, Mayan

Mediterranean (4): Greece, Rome, Carthage, Byzantium

Athens and Constantinople would be awfully close on a world map (hope someone creates a large Eurasia map after the XP comes out), but really, all of Europe will be. Germany/France/Spain will probably only have 3 cities each in the beginning. Byzantines would have to expand south before Egypt expands East.

Anyways, this brings all cultures minus Mediterranean to 5 civs. Mediterranean is practically overlapping as it is.

My reasons:

Mongols: Not really a civilization, they build and innovated nothing, but fan favorites

Koreans: Advanced Civ, Civ players in Korea

Turks: Ottoman Empire. Crusades. Period.

Spain: Erm...should have been in at the start.

Inca/Mayan: Are the most important Central-South American civs. American culture is hurting with 3 civs.

Carthage: It's Sid Meier. Sid Meier includes Carthage.

Byzantium: Lasted 1129 years. That should qualify it by Sid's standards. Civ is a what-if game. And 'had the turks not taken Constantinople and destroyed what remained of Byzantium' is a pretty big what-if. Besides, if the Turks are included, Byzantium is a shoo-in. Someones gotta keep the evil Turks in line And I don't like Byzantine being included with Rome, since it outlasted the fall of Rome by over 800 years.

Most important of all tho: Mikhail wants to play as Emperor Constantine and rule the Byzantines.

As someone else said, I don't think they'll include Celts or Vikings, as it would unbalance the game's culture for Europe. And Spain is more important.

Jag: Jew is a religion, not a civilization . Israel/Judea would be civilizations, but I really doubt they'd inlcude it during all this controversy. Sides. Byzantines would get the pleasure of controlling the Holy Land

[Sid1]

Re; who were the Khmer?

The Khmer thrived as an empire in Indo-China from 9th-14th centuries. Their capital was at Angkor. Today most Cambodians are Khmer people.

[Miznia]

Mikhail wrote:
Byzantium: Lasted 1129 years. That should qualify it by Sid's standards. Civ is a what-if game. And 'had the turks not taken Constantinople and destroyed what remained of Byzantium' is a pretty big what-if. Besides, if the Turks are included, Byzantium is a shoo-in. Someones gotta keep the evil Turks in line And I don't like Byzantine being included with Rome, since it outlasted the fall of Rome by over 800 years.

Eh... I think if Firaxis includes Byzantium, they're not going to use Turks. The Turks weren't cool until they had Istanbul, isn't that right? And anyway, what would the Turkish capital then be?

Jaguar Warrior wrote:
North American: ... (Tupi? Apache?)

I sure hope not! I don't think either even had cities, or were united!

ScreamingViking wrote:
Israelis (not Hebrews),

Why?! Isn't the claim to their merit based on their cultural significance? How could modern Israelis cut it?

[civman2000]

there will be no byzantium because it is too roman (not saying i agree with that but that's what firaxis will say). Turks could be modern (leader=Ataturk) or Ottoman (leader=Suleiman (sp?) the Magnificent OR Mohammed II the Great). Capital is probably Istabul, maybe Ankara.

[Dom Pedro II]

Isreal is the noun for the country, Hebrew is the adjective for the people.