Iron Civer II

[snoopy369]

Summary (both to check my understanding and for people who don't want to read the whole thread):

1. You can't abandon or otherwise leave a city once captured/founded. Period.
2. You *can* choose to raze a city you capture, and it's ok and doesn't count against your limit.
3. Culture flips DO count as captured cities. Ouch!
4. If you lose and then retake a city, it counts as a lost city for both civs - so be careful what you take!!
5. Volcanoes don't destroy cities in Elim.

[Rommel2D]

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With the second tournament finally rolling along, anyone who has made it this far can claim their sword icon. Beta, Ormuzd, and Wittlich have just been added. Anyone else in the tournament can go to the Iron Civer Civgroup and apply- drop me a PM also if you want it done in a timely manner...

[Rommel2D]

I'm unable to actively check on these games regularly for the near future. If there are concerns in any of them, please be sure to contact me directly through email (listed in the first post here) or PBEM.

The issue of ending by score has been objected to by certain parties recently. In light of my inability to enforce the turn clock, if all participants in the tournament agree it to be fair, we could push back or eliminate the deadline for the first round. However, it would not be fair to force this upon anyone that has built a strategy around it since the rule was in place before the start.

[marcuspeddle]

I am in favour of ending by score. Not doing so favours those who like conquest and gives a severe handicap to those who want to try for a peaceful victory.

[snoopy369]

I think the concern of those objecting to the 'score' decision is primarily due to the fact that nearly all of our games are still in early-game, and are going slowly enough that they'll continue to be that until after november 1 ... and score in the early game is nearly entirely meaningless, in terms of civ ability.

[Paddy]

To the death

[Addled Platypus]

bad breath,arm pits, terminal acne, nothing but death for me

Punk Polka

me thinks some of these games will go into next year

[snoopy369]

I'd personally like to have a later end date, but an end date. 1500bc is just too early for a game to end and have any meaningful victor ... but 1ad might be okay. I'm not sure we want these games to be to the death, as we'd never have a finals ...

[Rommel2D]

Does anyone have an objection to ending the games with the new year instead of Nov 1? I should be getting more consistent with unsticking the games from now until then, and the first week of January is between semesters so I'll have plenty of time to make all the arrangements for the final. Of course, CIV will be out by then, so I don't know what everyone's interest level will be in this...

[ricketyclik]

Wouldn't it be better to have a year (game turn) as the end point? Otherwise one could stall if one were leading.

[marcuspeddle]

I think Rickety's idea is a good one.

[Rommel2D]

Except that the main point of ending by RL calender is so that the final game gets started soon after. Ending by game calender means the first four games to finish all end up waiting for the last one.

Also, the main problem with PBEMs is that the players not doing so well tend to loose interest and take their time sending the turn on. When you're winning is when the one more turn fever burns hottest! Considering all the possible loopholes in Civ3 PBEM, I would hope noone here would consider stalling...

[McMeadows]

So the one with the best starting position wins... I disagree strongly.

[Rommel2D]

To an extent. Yes, it sucks, but it was a compromise planned going into this tournament. The idea was to get the finals rolling by the time CIV was released. If everyone is willing to let games run their full course, I have no objections to it. However, I have the impression that some of the players are in this primarily because of a promised expediency of play. I plan to move my focus to CIV after its release, so I won't be doing active turn clock enforcement on the preliminary round beyond the end of the year...

[McMeadows]

I understand, still, the outcome of the matches is meaningless. Because of the 2 city challenge I'm using a totally different strategy than usual, which doesn't seem to yield many VP's. It turns out our game is moving quite slowly (not nearly 1 turn a day), therefore my strategy seems to fail for VP-victory. However, it might have worked for 2 city challenge...