Jane PBEM

[Dominae]

Welcome to Jane PBEM!

The theme of this game was inspired by Sir Ralph's Tarzan PBEM.

The idea here is to make terrain a much bigger part of the game than it is in stock Civ3. Thus the following game modifications will be in effect:

Mods:

Cities

1. Cities cannot be founded on Forest, Jungle, Hills, or Desert tiles.
(2. In other words, cities can only be founded on Bonus Grassland, Flood Plains, Grassland or Plains.)

Workers

3. The Chop Forest, Clear Jungle and Clear Wetlands Worker actions are pushed back to Engineering.
4. The Chop Forest, Clear Jungle and Clear Wetlands Worker actions all require a base 24 turns to complete.
5. The Plant Forest Worker action is pushed back Ecology.

Military

5. All mounted units (including Samurai) are Wheeled.
6. All bombard units are Wheeled.
7. Tanks, Panzers, Modern Armer, Mechanized Infantry and Mobile SAMs are Wheeled.
8. Forest is impassable to Wheeled units.
(9. Thus only Infantry-type units can enter "bumpy" terrain without the help of Roads.)

All other rules are stock C3C (latest patch).

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Game Settings:

Age: 3 billion years
Climate and Temperature: Wet/Warm or Arid/Cold
Land Form: Pangea
Size: Standard

Barbarians: Raging

Difficulty: Emperor

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Players:

Aqualung71
Beta
Dominae
ducki
snoopy369
vovan

Although the roster is currently full, the game has not started yet, so keep checking in here in case someone leaves.

[Dominae]

Please post here to confirm your participation if your name is in the list above.

Please do not sign up for this game if you cannot play one turn per day on average. I'm really not interested in another failed PBEM. There's no need to be strict about this, as long as everyone makes a true commitment right from the start. If you leave the game it is your responsibility to find a permanent replacement.

Note that the settings, mods, etc. above are still up for discussion. Furthermore, we need to decide on:

1. Restarts: none, one, get someone to check the map?
2. Civs: self-selected, random, semi-random?
3. Exploits: let's agree on all this before we start.

[vovan]

Mind if I join you there? I have yet to complete a PBEM game (three in progress), but I'm pretty sure I've gotten into the swing of it. And this sounds like something different and cool, so.

And I have enough time on my hands now to do a couple turns a day if it gets to it.

[Dominae]

vovan: welcome!

I've never met you before, but you sound keen so that's good enough for me. I'm signing you up.

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by Dominae
Note that the settings, mods, etc. above are still up for discussion. Furthermore, we need to decide on:

1. Restarts: none, one, get someone to check the map?
2. Civs: self-selected, random, semi-random?
3. Exploits: let's agree on all this before we start.

Jane....nice name, appropriate

My thoughts:

1. No restarts - let's tough it out!
2. Civs random - play your allocated civ to the best of your ability
3. Exploits - use the etiquette list we're using for the Iron Civers tournament.

If all else fails, use your start location or civ as an excuse!

On settings - with the settlement restrictions, a 3 billion year old map could be particularly nasty - so let's go with that! Wet/Warm would probably give less settlement areas due to jungles, while Arid/Cold may give unfair advantages to Agricultural civs due to more deserts (?) I'd prefer Wet/Warm.

Should we start with 2 settlers, or at least an extra worker?

If we only have 5 players, we may want to drop to a small map.

My best play times will be (at the moment anyway) GMT11 - GMT16, which is evening my time.

[snoopy369]

I'd go for some sort of restart option, given how tough it would be to start in a jungly area. I'm all for doing my best with what i get, but if I start in an area with 5 grassland and all the rest jungle (like I have before) i'm definitely not going to have a chance at winning (unless I have a seafaring Byzantine civ ... ).

I'd vote for wet/warm I suppose, 4 billion or 3 billion years. I'd personally prefer restless rather than raging barbs, but at emperor level the goody huts will be mostly barbs anyways ... so it probably doesn't matter. More settlers sound ok, or just one, no need to get fancy.
We might want to consider slightly modding tech rate, given that smaller cities = less trade = slower game with the same tech rate. (And we will have smaller cities, i have no doubt, with terrain restrictions as they are)...

[alexman]

Originally posted by Dominae
5. All mounted units (including Samurai) are Wheeled.
6. Mobile SAM is wheeled

Don't forget to make Tanks et cetera wheeled. They are not mentioned in the Tarzan thread because we are using the AU mod as a basis.

[Beta]

I'm in. And I like Aqualung's suggestions of no restart (play it as it comes) and random civs (play what you get).

Sounds great. Let's go Jane!!!!!

[vovan]

Ah, thanks, Dominae.

FWIW, here's what I think on the points you raise:

1. Restarts: none, one, get someone to check the map?

I'd say get someone to check the map. I wouldn't want to restart, and yet, I wouldn't want to get stuck on three tiles of grasslands surrounded by jungle. So, I'd say have someone make a few random maps and check em out, choose one with tolerable starting positions, and then hand it to us.


2. Civs: self-selected, random, semi-random?

I'm not sure what semi-random means? Like the players would choose a trait they want their civ to necessarily have and then get one of those that have it? I'd say to purely random though.


3. Exploits: let's agree on all this before we start.

Seems to me like the Iron-Civers list is one pretty well established? So why not just go with it.

As for world settings - whatever you toss my way will be good.

[Dominae]

Originally posted by alexman

Don't forget to make Tanks et cetera wheeled. They are not mentioned in the Tarzan thread because we are using the AU mod as a basis.

Ah, yes, thanks.

As for balanced starts: how about we just get someone from the Tarzan game to check out the starting locations? If there's any major imbalance he/she can just reload another map.

[Dominae]

Nevermind (it seems it's been a long time since I've played!).

[snoopy369]

I'd agree with a start check by a Tarzanian, since you're doing the same thing for them anyhow they owe us one

[ducki]

Originally posted by Dominae
1. Restarts: none, one, get someone to check the map?
2. Civs: self-selected, random, semi-random?
3. Exploits: let's agree on all this before we start.

1. I'd say - if we don't have the map checked, a 2nd turn restart on 2 conditions.
-a)you have NOT settled your capitol
-b)you will NOT be able to settle your capitol until turn 5.

a) is self explanatory. b) does NOT mean you don't see a spot you LIKE, rather that there is no place where you are ABLE to settle within the first 5 turns - 4 moves + settle - I think visibility allows for this, no?
I'd like the map-checker to probably go by this criteria, too. We don't all need equal, lovely starts, but we do need to be able to settle "soon" and have enough growth to build a settler.

2. random

3. I haven't looked at IC, but I trust you guys.

On the map, 3b, climate whatever, Standard size - otherwise, won't we run into a lack of patchy/uninhabitable land? Barbarians - never played Raging, so this should be fun. I already avoid huts on Emperor except for very rare occasions. Pangea or continents? This one's probably as important as any of the others. I want to say Continents, but I imagine everyone else will say Pangea, so whatever is good.

This sounds like fun, and I definitely like the name. I laughed out loud.

[Harovan]

I can check your map, if you want. You just should tell me what you want to have checked. What I would propose, is:

I will:
- make sure, nobody starts on an island or a very small peninsula
- make sure, everybody has a patch of fertile land for at least 3 size-12 cities. That means enough grassland or easily irrigatable plains.

I will not:
- balance out strategic, luxury and bonus (especially food!) resources.

[Dominae]

Sounds great, thanks Sir Ralph!

Just to make sure: please do not assign starting locations, but let the game do it; no favoritism (or anti-favoritism)!