Resources in jungle

[Flanker]

Maybe this has been discussed before, in that case please tell me where to find that thread.

I was just thinking that it´s pretty strange that jungles doesn´t produce more resources. All you get is one food. In jungles there are a lot of timber to chop down, and there are tremendeous of species known to be good ingredients in pharmaceptics and chemicals. Indians and other tribes living in jungles have a huge know-how about how to use these resources, and if we others weren´t so eager to chop the jungles down, we could also get to know a lot of these knowledge.

Anyway, my point is - wouldn´t it be good and more realistic to raise the resource output of jungles to maybe 1 food and 1 or 2 shields? Or maybe 1 trade as well? Of course this can be modded, but I´m asking what would be a good way to do it.

If not, at least I would really like some bananas there...

[epics]

As you said, 1 food are those bananas
I think the jungle in Civ is where there are many bushes etc., not trees capable for being cut down for logs.
And those resources... how many of those little bugs and other species would you need to feed 100000 town??

[Spiffor]

We demand a bananas resource in the jungle since the dawn of times
More seriously, I too think it would be good to have 1 shield from the Jungle. In the current situation, it is always better to clear a jungle than to keep it. That would be good if a jungle had some small advantage in keeping it.

[Thirgaral]

It does add some realism with all that jungle being chopped down.
And those tribes have never been able to use the jungle to support an entire civilization....

[Flanker]

It does add some realism with all that jungle being chopped down.

True, but you doesn´t get a single shield for doing it! At least you should get that forest-bonus to a nearby city when chopping down a jungle. And, as already said, many of todays more exclusive wood, as teak and ebony, comes from the jungles. There are also lots of plantages in and around the jungles (with i.e. bananas). Maybe a simulation of the burn-plant-destroy-method would come in handy?

[Blaupanzer]

The current game very much reflects the "slash and burn" mindset. "The only good jungle is a chopped down jungle!" I also think that the player should get some forest-like benefit for clearing jungle. Maybe five shields rather than 10.

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by Thirgaral
It does add some realism with all that jungle being chopped down.
And those tribes have never been able to use the jungle to support an entire civilization....

Evidence is emerging that there was a fairly advanced civilisatio in the Amazon basin with millions of people which collapsed after contact with the Spanish introduced new diseases - and they did it without massive jungle clearance.

[Chemical Ollie]

Yes, I can agree with that a shield on each jungle tile would be a good idea. But the food should stay at 1. It really takes an effort to get food from the jungle IRL.

[Krayzeenbk]

Jungles aren't nearly as easy to log as a forest, and they are much more difficult to sustain for logging. Therefore I think that jungles shouldn't produce any shields. Not many civilizations were capable of extracting large amounts of wood from a jungle for 6,000 years.

They should however provide a one-time forest bonus, in my opinion.

In the current situation, it is always better to clear a jungle than to keep it.

If the jungle is along the border and not near any cities, it's best to keep it and (optional) build a railroad through it. Then incoming enemy MAs and cavs have to waste a whole turn in the jungle under withering artillery fire

[Azeem]

Well, there were several jungle civilizations that did prosper such as the Maya in the Yucutan and the Khmer in what is now Cambodia. The Olmecs and the Toltecs in Mexico were quite strong as well.

[Cruddy]

I'd go for either an extra shield or commerce, but not both - that's what roads are for...

What I want to know is, why does it take less effort to nuke a jungle and de-pollute it, rather than clear it?

Seems the workers are using blunt machetes...

[pedrojedi]

Have you ever gone to a jungle and tried to walk through it? Man, just passing by is big problem, imagine tearing it down! We're talking just about trees, but there are bugs, animals, rain, oh, so much rain, and sand water and so so so... Depolute is "faster", at least normal pollution.

[dannubis]

the civilisation you are talking about was situated on the western outskirts of the amazon rain forest ... SO they had the possibility of extensive agriculture without having to chop down large patches of rain forest

[Thirgaral]

the civilisation you are talking about was situated on the western outskirts of the amazon rain forest ... SO they had the possibility of extensive agriculture without having to chop down large patches of rain forest

which is what they did...
BTW, why is everyone associating jungle with south America?? There are jungles in Africa and Asia too...
Azeem: There were no jungles in Mexico, right?

And I agree with everyone about the one-time forest bonus

[pedrojedi]

There were... a lot.