Unit Movement Increase

[Konquest02]

If you play on a tiny map, you will approach a higher degree of realism. This is a strategy game though, not a simulation...
But you can do whatever you want with the editor and then report it back here or in the creation forum and you will have your answer!

--Kon--

[Master Zen]

It would not be so fun it it were 100% realistic. I think as it is movement land movement is fine, perhaps only alterable in a really huge (ie 362x362) map.

Naval movements IMO is too low, as well as aircraft ranges.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Master Zen
It would not be so fun it it were 100% realistic. I think as it is movement land movement is fine, perhaps only alterable in a really huge (ie 362x362) map.

Naval movements IMO is too low, as well as aircraft ranges.

hi ,

well there is always the editor , but we should be able to play a bit more with it , RR bonus or not , limit this , expand that , etc , ....

have a nice day

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

well there is always the editor , but we should be able to play a bit more with it , RR bonus or not , limit this , expand that , etc , ....

have a nice day

I agree, there are some details which I think the editor should be able to change. For example, making Forests increase production with RRs, this would make this terrain type actually useful.

[TheArsenal]

its fine now , the only thing that should be changed is the RR bonus , it should be limited , ....

have a nice day

This is the single aspect of movement I would change The RR instant movement capability takes the sometimes hard choices out of how to position your forces out of the game, especially on large/huge maps. If I am moving large armies for an about-to-be-declared-war on a civ on my northern border, for example, I don't have to put as much thought as to my defensive posture on my other borders. If I over-commit to the north, and a civ attacks from the south, so what? - I can fix my mistake in the blink of an eye. And as I am a player who has not by any means conquered the whole globe by Steam Power, I prefer the challenge.

[Panag]

Originally posted by TheArsenal


This is the single aspect of movement I would change The RR instant movement capability takes the sometimes hard choices out of how to position your forces out of the game, especially on large/huge maps. If I am moving large armies for an about-to-be-declared-war on a civ on my northern border, for example, I don't have to put as much thought as to my defensive posture on my other borders. If I over-commit to the north, and a civ attacks from the south, so what? - I can fix my mistake in the blink of an eye. And as I am a player who has not by any means conquered the whole globe by Steam Power, I prefer the challenge.

hi ,

well thats what can happen , .....

however , the real world is the same

and if you have a mobile force , like horse man , knights or cav you should be able to adapt to the situation at ones , ....

ones again we have many views on the RR's , thats why we should be able to change it , one like more shields , one like slower movement , etc , .....

Firaxis

have a nice day

[The Mad Monk]

With the advent of 250x250+ maps, movement should be adjusted to a more 'realistic' level. I have already changed modern ships to have 'all terrain as roads', and am adding points from infantry on up.

[theNiceOne]

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

well thats what can happen , .....

however , the real world is the same

Do you mean to say that in the real world, if a nation is surprise attacked, it will be able to amass its entire military force against the attacker immediately?

AFAIK, when Germany was surprise attacked in Normandy on D-Day, it didn't have the option of using its forces in Russia too beat the invasion force back. Could you enlight me here?

[Willem]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
With the advent of 250x250+ maps, movement should be adjusted to a more 'realistic' level. I have already changed modern ships to have 'all terrain as roads', and am adding points from infantry on up.

If you do that though, you'll no longer have a late game unit that can retreat. All it takes is a move 2 Infantry unit, and that ability is cancelled out.

[Rommel2D]

Do armies with mobility ever retreat?

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Rommel2D
Do armies with mobility ever retreat?

Yep. Countless examples in the medieval age. More recently, I will refer to Villers-Bocage and the battles of Caen during the Normandy Campaign.

[Panag]

Originally posted by theNiceOne

Do you mean to say that in the real world, if a nation is surprise attacked, it will be able to amass its entire military force against the attacker immediately?

AFAIK, when Germany was surprise attacked in Normandy on D-Day, it didn't have the option of using its forces in Russia too beat the invasion force back. Could you enlight me here?

hi ,

you gave the example yourself , ...... thats why RR's should be limited in movement , .......

and it would be of great help in long games against others , ....

have a nice day

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Willem


If you do that though, you'll no longer have a late game unit that can retreat. All it takes is a move 2 Infantry unit, and that ability is cancelled out.

Hmmm...I hadn't thought about that.

[ALPHA WOLF 64]

2 game design changes would be highly desireable:
1) remove the unlimited movement from RR
2) change the retreating rule so that a faster unit can retreat.

If these changes were made, a few minor changes to land units would be nice. I drastically increased air ranges and modern naval speeds to more in line with RR. I could not increase many land unit movements because I did not want to remove the retreat option. I did increase roads to 1/4 that compensates somewhat for land units and moved RR to Corporation.

[CiverDan]

I agree with removing unlimited RR movement. It removes some strategy associated with locating your forces in the industrial era & modern era. I would also like to see all ground units get 2 movement in modern era. (Pikeman had to walk the entire 500 miles, Marines dont) but without retreat ability.