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  • Awesome Berserker

    I just started playing as the Scandinavians and have discovered the awesome offensive capability of the Berserker unit.

    The Berserk unit is COOL!!!!!!
    They can't defend anything worth spit, but man can they attack!!! They have a 6 attack--same as Guerilla, only 2 defense--same as Spearman. They can take out Knights, but can be killed by Archers (the old, flint-type ones. not just the new-fangled Longbowmen w/ metal arrowheads--the very unit that the Berserk replaces). I've been having some fun determining the best strategies for them.

    But what's REALLY COOL is the amphibious assault action!!
    There used to be a time when a ruler didn't worry about those Galleys or Caravels just off his coast. They would have to land somewhere and if you had the units to block your coastline they would have to sail far away to land their 2 or 3 units. Not so w/ the Vikings!! Those 2 Berserkir in that Galley can attack your Pikemen or Spearmen right from the boat! If you've used your defending units to block the coast, you will now have to use them to try and retake your city (which unless those Vikings brought some defenders might actually be easy.)

    Berserkers can take cities, but you have to have something else to hold them. Follow your Berserkir with good defensive units.

    Make lots of them (after their initial attack, they will usually die if counter attacked) as well as Galleys/Caravels. A stack of about 6 Berserkir (3 Galleys or 2 Caravels worth) can usually take cities defended by Pikemen or lower. It takes about double that amount to take a city defended by Musketmen if the city has additional defensive bonuses (large population, walls, or on a hill). Musketmen have 4 defense vs. Berserk 6 attack. Out in the open the Berserker will usually win vs. Muskets (if he attacks first, he might lose if attacked by the Musketman).

    Other than the fact that Berserkers generally suck rocks defending stuff, they totally RULE as an offensive power. Believe me, they are offensive!

    Happy Berserking:
    Build lots of them.
    Build lots of boats to haul them.
    Attack Hard. Attack Fast.
    Attack from the sea if you want.
    Follow with defenders.
    "...Every Right implies a certain Responsibility; Every Opportunity, an Obligation; Every Possession, a Duty." --J.D. Rockerfeller, Jr.

  • #2
    It's true they rock though. Too bad their trait is Expansionist, which is a bummer considering they show their true power in Archipelago maps where you usually get a small Island to start from.

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    • #3
      I think they are one of the best UU's, and are pretty underrated.

      Berserker rushes can really disrupt the game in the medieval time lapse between invention and military tradition.
      A true ally stabs you in the front.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by minke19104
        It's true they rock though. Too bad their trait is Expansionist, which is a bummer considering they show their true power in Archipelago maps where you usually get a small Island to start from.
        Pottery is on the way to map making. So expansionist is good on archipelago maps too.

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        • #5
          About the berserker unit and it's animation.

          Do you ever wonder how much that axe weighs? A steel blade of that size must be atleast 50kg (110 lbs). So a man wielding that kind of axe has to be pretty strong
          I'm not a complete idiot: some parts are still missing.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by aaglo
            a man wielding that kind of axe has to be pretty strong
            Not much stronger than the average Swede

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            • #7
              the axe hanging around your neck isn't made of steel. It's either wood, plastic or fiberglass.

              I mean really, the blade is larger than my monitor.
              I'm impressed.
              I'm not a complete idiot: some parts are still missing.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by aaglo
                Do you ever wonder how much that axe weighs?
                What's more, it requires no iron to build. Perhaps they just improvise the Huge Ax with scraps of available material.

                It would be kinda cool (perhaps a bit sick) to have a 'Beowulf'-style of animation. The Berserk should use his enemy's arm as a weapon. Now that would be something!
                "...Every Right implies a certain Responsibility; Every Opportunity, an Obligation; Every Possession, a Duty." --J.D. Rockerfeller, Jr.

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                • #9
                  Why not have a "bloody" Civ version? Dead units would lay splattered throughout history (maybe fade away like in AoE), tanks would squash their victims etc.

                  A true ally stabs you in the front.

                  Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)

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                  • #10
                    Although the european bigots would eventually turn the blood green or something like that
                    I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                    Asher on molly bloom

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                    • #11
                      The Berserks were historically known primarily for the wild behavior they assumed when entering battle. They'd work themselves into a frenzy, and they'd be "strong as an ox", impervious to iron or fire. I believe once the body of a berserkir was discovered with dozens of arrow heads in his torso, a testament to how wild they were in battle.
                      Empire growing,
                      Pleasures flowing,
                      Fortune smiles and so should you.

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                      • #12
                        Sometimes I think about how the scandinavian UU should be a special dragonboat... but the berserker seems very fine as well.

                        It`s good the don`t made the figure use a horned helmet!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Master Zen
                          I think they are one of the best UU's, and are pretty underrated.

                          Berserker rushes can really disrupt the game in the medieval time lapse between invention and military tradition.
                          Yep, and that is what my ancestors did historically. They wanted a free vacation to good ol' Valhalla to prepare for Ragnarok.

                          YORE!!! DIE SAXONS, DIE!!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Master Zen
                            Berserker rushes can really disrupt the game in the medieval time lapse between invention and military tradition.
                            They're even good vs Cavalry--at least if they are attacking. They die quickly if Cavalry is attacking them.

                            They might start being useless toward the end of the Industrial Era, but they're good (at offense) all through the Middle Ages. They don't really become obsolete until Marines.
                            "...Every Right implies a certain Responsibility; Every Opportunity, an Obligation; Every Possession, a Duty." --J.D. Rockerfeller, Jr.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Datajack Franit
                              Although the european bigots would eventually turn the blood green or something like that
                              They don't have to be 'European'. There's plenty of the 'politically correct' panty waists her in the USA, as, I'm sure, most other countries.

                              Although...... suposedly blood does make the grass grow. At least that's what our high school coaches used to tell us.
                              "...Every Right implies a certain Responsibility; Every Opportunity, an Obligation; Every Possession, a Duty." --J.D. Rockerfeller, Jr.

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