Which civs should be in?

[Adm.Naismith]

quote: Originally posted by Roman on 04-30-2001 06:49 AM I agree Adm. Naismith, Romans must be included.

ROTFL! You are too much involved to be fair!
BTW, just in case a Science Fiction MOD will be done, may I have Admiral Naismith (*) as one of Great Leaders?

Seriusly now, I still hope Firaxis will publish on its web site a new Civ every month, downloadable for free, for at least a year. It will cost something in term of Graphic Team resource but it will do wonders for people out here in term of Public Relation feeling. It'll pay back itself by sustaining the sell of original product box, IMHO.

I know, they underlined how easy will be to customize the game for dedicated fan but, simply spoken, fans usually have more good ideas than graphic ability and resources to realize MOD civ at the same level of commercial set.
It's a Firaxis product, they should provide a support (IMHO and from a marketing point of view), at least enhancing best fan "draft" MOD.

(*)OT note for not S.F. addicted: Adm.Naismith aka Miles Vorkosigan is a fictional character (a mercenary starship fleet admiral, a lord, a secret agent with serius phisical handicap and much more) described in great S.F. books written by Ms. Lois McMaster Bujold

[Roman]

BTW: Roman is actually my real (given) name , though I am not from Italy (I suppose Rumanians claim to be descendants of the Romans and I am one sixtienth Rumanian ). Besides they are my favorite civilization.

[PRoy]

Chinese
Indians
Russians
Romans
Persians
Egyptians
Greeks
Germans
French
English
Americans
Aztecs
Japanese
Mongols
Turks
Zulus

It would be great if one of these games actually modelled history as we know it. Failing that, I miss the historical leaders and their signature tunes from the original Civilization, especially the Bach piece used for the Germans, but I enjoyed them all. Anyhow, I tried to limit my list to those that were populous or at some point controlled lots of area and other nations/peoples, if only for a relatively short time. Aztecs and Zulus are there for PC; I might have preferred Spanish and Arabs.

[King Richard]

The following criteria should deside which civilizations that'll be picked:

1. The civ must have a rather large area under it's control (on their largest).

2. The civ must have control over their area (Djengis Khan didn't! Nor did Alexander the great, at first.)

3. The civ must be a economic, military or cultural power of significance.

4. The civ must have cities!

5. Two civs ruling the same area can't be in the same game at the same time (romans/Byzantines, Teotihuacans/Aztecs).

6. The list shouldn't just pick the most powerful civs to our standards, but be a significant civ in the time-period they excisted.

7. The civ should have survived more than one leader!

8. Playing a world map, the civs shouldn't start too close.

Following these criteria the list should be as follows (starting from the beginning of time):

The river-civilizations:
1. Egyptians (one of the earliest and most powerful civs!)
2. One of the civs of Mesopotamia, probably the babylonians or the assyrians (also one of the earliest and most powerful civs)
3. Indians of the indus valley (the civ of the indus valley, or India was one of the four earliest civs and, like the other four regions of the four, was one of the most important of pre-ancient times!)
4. Chinese (the last of the four first. Has been the longest lasting empire in the world!)

Ancient civs:
5. Greeks (This is a tricky one! The greeks didn't have an empire, they had a bunch of city-states, constantly at war with each other. AND Alexander the great was Macedon!) -I'm not sure if I want them in civ 3...
6. Persians (They had a vast empire, much more important civ than the greeks, in my opinion...)
7. Romans (The first really great empire in all aspects!!!)

Middle Ages:
8. Franks/Carolingians/French (Let's just call them the French, ok? Has made a huge impact on Europe since Charlemagne! -Must be in...)
9. Russians (In the late middle ages the russians started to expand their borders, but they were stopped by Djenghis Khan. Later they soon became one of the biggest empires the world has ever seen!)
10. Mongols (This is also a tricky one... Djenghis Khan conquered most of asia, but the empire became divided into three separate parts following his death. -These were still pretty large on their own, and all were mongol!)
11. English/British (Took over the italian city-states' hegemony as financial/industrial centers. Later became the most powerful empire in the world. -My easiest choice!)
12. Spanish (made a huge empire, but didn't really have that much control over it. Huge military power, did also have many possesions in europe)
13. Inca or Maya (great civs of the americas, not very advanced, but culturally rich and powerful in their region of the world. The spanish didn't kill them -disease did!)
14. Arabs (The belief in Allah made these nomads a fierce opposition and and gave them a huge empire!)

15. Germans (Their three reichs made their power almost impossible to defend against!)
16. Americans (Is the only remaining superpower today!)

As I said, I'm not sure if the greeks should be in. My choice would be the Turks (Remember the Ottomans?), Byzantines could also be a choice, but are really just the other half of the roman empire, so screw them!

[tniem]

quote: Originally posted by King Richard on 04-30-2001 10:53 PM As I said, I'm not sure if the greeks should be in. My choice would be the Turks (Remember the Ottomans?), Byzantines could also be a choice, but are really just the other half of the roman empire, so screw them!

I would leave Greeks in and only have either the Turks or Arabs. Very similar. Besides, no one wants to take away the site owner's country from the game.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Chinese
Egyptians
Americans
Romans
Indians
Germans
English
Zulu
Vikings
Japanese
French
Arabs
Greeks
Incans
Aztecs
Russians

[Bereta_Eder]

edit: I wanted to say something but I forgot it.
[This message has been edited by paiktis22 (edited May 09, 2001).]

[me_irate]

I cant believe you people. A very disturbing trend has recently been active toward the end of the post. Many of you are leaving of my Babylonians! What would a civ game without Babylon be? I shudder to think of the possibility. If not the babylonians, at least the Summerians, or Persians, or the barbaric Assirians. This is the cradle of civilization people; where civ began. You cant have civ without the Babylonains, and if you did i might not buy it. but i most likely still will, i just wont be happy.

[Dhalsim]

Let's have:
Epicurians, Hedonists, Agnostics and Oblomov's.

They join the ranks as various barbarian tribes.
Don't do much, but, allways been around, allways will.

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[Ralf]

Then ever there is a problem with agreeing on a issue like which Civs should be included or not, one can always go back and check out what we already had in Civilization II. We had no less then 21 Civs to choose from. OK then, which 5 civs should be taken out from below list?? Perhaps this approach is somewhat easier then agreeing what Civs should be included. Or perhaps not?

- Romans
- Babylonians
- germans
- Egytians
- Americans
- Greeks
- Indians
- Russians
- Zulus
- French
- Aztecs
- Chinese
- English
- Mongols
- Celts
- Japanese
- Vikings
- Spanish
- Persians
- Carthagians
- Siox

[tniem]

quote: Originally posted by Ralf on 05-09-2001 06:03 PM Then ever there is a problem with agreeing on a issue like which Civs should be included or not, one can always go back and check out what we already had in Civilization II. We had no less then 21 Civs to choose from. OK then, which 5 civs should be taken out from below list?? Perhaps this approach is somewhat easier then agreeing what Civs should be included. Or perhaps not?

Still a very difficult decision.

I'd take out the Celts, Siox, Japanese, Vikings, and Carthagians

I'd switch Aztecs to Incas.

And while I'm not sure what other culture I'd swtich, I really believe that the Turks/Arabs/Ottomans/etc. should be included in the game. During the Dark Ages they were all the rage in the world.

[Admiral PJ]

I want the PERSIANS to be in (old persia sounds such a great and mystical
place to me) the CELTS which were important enemies of the Romans
(woah i can see some cool lightning storms down here in South England right now BTW should have them in civ3 too )
the ENGLISH , ROMANS, FRENCH,
EGYPTIANS, ZULUS, INDIANS, JAPANESE(seem quite similar to the Chinese
apart from modern politics)
number 9 goes to RUSSIANS,
and of course the APACHE INDIANS (or SIOUX but these sound cooler and could be more aggresive , could be customised to be any millitaryy/aggressive aboriginal people?)
POLYNESIANS, (as a generic less aggressive tribal like people, dosen't really work but they had a big Culture which the US consumed in Hawaii at
least, though us europeans probably killed a lot of them off too with diseases)
MAYANS ? (they had a great culture and sound cooler than the Incas I think)
GERMANS, SPANISH, (no vikings? or call them scandinavians)
, GREEKS,
and the AMERICANS (just to get the city names like San Francisco and New York)

Perhaps cultural values of these civs will be reflected more now.. with the Greeks/Egyptians etc able to win by having a great culture

I think there should be a good range of city names too..
oh and also Essex, well we seem to be a separate country in this county

Admiral Pete

[To_Serve_Man]

People, of course the civ that is missing is none other than....

The KISS Army!!!!!

[Adm.Naismith]

quote: Originally posted by King Richard on 04-30-2001 10:53 PM The following criteria should deside which civilizations that'll be picked:

Very well argumented (sorry for snipping it in reply). It's a good way to go, the only limits is fixed by Firaxis about a grand total of 16 Civ available.

Following the old news from Firaxis about wide available customization, I hope others can be added to the list of available civs (and I still hope for some later "Firaxis official" downloadable for free from web sites).

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Admiral Naismith AKA mcostant

[Roman]

quote: Originally posted by Dhalsim on 05-09-2001 04:03 PM Epicurians, Hedonists, Agnostics and Oblomov's.

Why do you want to have philosophical streams representing barbarians?

BTW: I am an agnostic atheist and I am not a barbarian!

Wait, maybe "Grrr, Hiiii, kill, kill, burn, pillage!"