Which civs should be in?

[Stefu]

Firaxis' decision to limit number of available civs to 7 has caused much consternation. To me, however, decision to have only 16 civs to choose from is bit more dire. I don't know, I just want to have many cultures with those spiffy leader faces as possible. Also, having Firaxis design them gives them the 'official' feel that player-made civs would inevitably lack. And we can't forget that this means Firaxis would have to drop 5 of Civ2 civs (and that's assuming they haven't taken any new ones in.)

So, what's your 'civ list'? If we ignore all the info of what civs will be in that Firaxis has given us, mine would be:

Americans
Germans
French
Russians
Mayas (replacing Aztecs as 'the' Native American civilization.)
Ethiopians (replacing Zulus as 'the' African civilization.)
Egyptians
Chinese
Indians
Japanese
Mongols
English
Romans
Greek
Babylonians
Arabs

Yargh! This still means we'd have to forget about Civs like Persians, Spanish, Incas, Mali, Assyrians, Vikings, Turks, Aztecs, Zulus, Celts and many, many more! Can't stand it

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Major Civs

Americans
Inca (they were a lot bigger than Aztec + mayas together)
English
French
German
Russian
Mongols
Indians
Chinese
Japanses
Zulus
Egyptians
Romans
Greeks
Sioux
Babylonians

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[Solver]

I want all the three great American civs - Aztecs, Incas and Mayas, but I would also like to see the Jewish in there. With others, I don't care so much.

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[jadlakha]

Rather then Jewish civ I think you mean a Hebrew civ, ******.

[King Richard]

Egyptians
Babylonians
Indians
Chinese
Greeks
Persians
Romans
Franks/Carolingians/French
Germans
Spanish
English/British
Russians
Mongols
Incas
Americans
Turks or Arabs?

I would like to see a lot more, though... -Sadly, we know the Zulus are in... We will probably not see The Incas, Turks or Arabs either. -Damn, I want as many Civs as possible TO CHOOSE FROM!!!

[Ralf]

Its confirmed that a viking longship is added to the game. Would it be farfetched to belive that they added vikings as an all-in-one people for Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland and Finland?

[Ralf]

quote: Originally posted by jadlakha on 04-28-2001 03:05 PM Rather then Jewish civ I think you mean a Hebrew civ, ******.

Why not change "******" to instead? One thing I like with this forum is the general absence of name-calling. Lets keep it that way, shall we.

[SilverDragon]

quote: Originally posted by Ralf on 04-28-2001 04:40 PM Why not change "******" to instead? One thing I like with this forum is the general absence of name-calling. Lets keep it that way, shall we.

I totally agree. Change it NOW!



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[Mister Pleasant]

My vote would be for:
United States
Aztecs
Inca
Argentine
Roman
Celtic
British
German
Spanish
Geeek
Egyptian
Arabs
Zulu
Chinese
Indian
Mongol

Still a little euro-heavy for my tastes, maybe the following instead -

United States
Argentine
Inca
Maya
Aztec
Roman
Greek
Celtic
European Union (replacing all medieval to moden euro powers)
Arab
Persian
Eygptian
Zulu
Chinese
Indian
Mongol

[bertje121]

Most of the lists given here are OK. I just think that 16 is just not enough. But I understand Firaxis, they want to give specific things to each civ.

Mister Pleasant, you say that's it's to Euro-heavy. But you just have to admit that European culture is the base of the current society. Then of course, there were some South-american en Asian civ's, but not many.
I don't like your European-Union idea, as 'Europe' is not one culture. It's very diverse.
In fact, if we are objective, the US shoudn't be included at all! The US is no real 'civilization'. But of course, we have to please everyone.

Well, thats it!

[Ralf]

quote: Originally posted by bertje121 on 04-28-2001 05:15 PM Mister Pleasant, you say that's it's to Euro-heavy. But you just have to admit that European culture is the base of the current society.

I agree. One shouldnt garble historic/present day realities, just because 19-century colonialism and 2 major wars, perhaps have made it "politically incorrect" to emphasize the huge impact that european culture has brought about - mainly from the renaissance and forwards, but also (dont forget) from ancient Roman and Greek cultures. Whether one likes it or not, the selection of civs should be a little "Euro-heavy", I think. Its only fair.

[Wittlich]

I have a question .... Do we know for a FACT that we will only have 16 civilizations to choose from? Of course, I'm assuming that these would be the "major" civilizations.

The number of "minor" civilizations which can be in play opens up a whole new issue

[MrFun]

European civilizations have made important contributions to the world along with African, Arabic, Asian, and American Indian civilizations.

Anyway, my list would be to include 25 civilizations to choose from, not 16.

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[Shadowstrike]

I liked the original 14 from CivI plus Arabs and Inca.

[Ceci n'est pas Snapcase]

quote: Originally posted by Ralf on 04-28-2001 06:43 PM I agree. One shouldnt garble historic/present day realities, just because 19-century colonialism and 2 major wars, perhaps have made it "politically incorrect" to emphasize the huge impact that european culture has brought about - mainly from the renaissance and forwards, but also (dont forget) from ancient Roman and Greek cultures. Whether one likes it or not, the selection of civs should be a little "Euro-heavy", I think. Its only fair.

But all of that is the result of Geographical and Geobiological factors. Civ is supposed be able to start any civilization anywhere, so it's wrong to penalise the Mali just beacuse they happened to start in a contitent with a north-south axis, with no domesticable species of animals and very few plants, with desert to the north and jungle to the south, and some 3000 years after the fertile crecent civilizations.

My choices:

Americans
British
Russians
Mongols
Chinese
Spanish
Vikings
Incas
Aztecs
Mali
Kush
Egyptians
Austronesians
Babylonians
Arabs
Magyars

(Vikings are in purely because I'm scandinavian, Magyars because I'm half finno-urgic, the others are three from each continent, except asia which has five (south east, east, central, and two western.)