So... will there be an "events.txt" or scenario triggers made soon?

[Unconquered]

I am asking for quality control warpstorm. Nothing less should be expected for a $30 price tag.

[SuperSlinky]

Originally posted by WarpStorm Unconquered, I think that you complain just to complain.

I don't think you are being fair, Warpstorm. There are many justifiable criticisms that could be leveled at Civ III. When I bought Civ III, I expected more, but all I got was more of the same. Sure the graphics are better than Civ II, the interface is nicer, and they cleaned up a few messy game issues. But let's face it: we all wanted a quantum leap forward like we got going from going form Civ I to Civ III, and we didn't get it. By and large, it is the same game we had been playing for several years. We still don't get to go to Alpha Centauri and start a new world, we don't get any futuristic units and technologies, and the basic way the game plays and unfolds isn't that much different. We are stuck with the same moronic combat model, we are still farming the same 21 squares, and we are building the same improvements that do pretty much what they did before. Sure they changed some things like reshuffling units and government types, but who cares about that? All that is arbitrary anyway. It is almost like they rearranged the furniture and called it a new house.

Then along comes PTW to add insult to injury. We pay 2/3 the price of the original game and not one of the above criticisms was addressed. After all this time we get buggy multi-player which was promised in a free patch, we get some incomplete user created stuff that can and should be downloaded from the Internet, a few new unit graphics along with a warning that adding new units is not officially supported, and a few enhancements that don't begin to justify calling this thing an expansion. Yeah, I know, MP is much better with the patch. But if we are expected to download large patches that are vital to game function, then why did they bother to include user created mods that are just as easy to get off the Internet? The answer is self-evident: it was filler, plain and simple, designed to dupe the ignorant. But who do they think they are fooling? Is there anyone nerdy enough to play Civ III who doesn't have some sort of Internet access? I'm sure there ar a few kids living out in the woods somewhere who fit the bill, but they sure went to a lot of trouble to impress this non-existent minority while insulting the intelligence of the vast majority of us who know better. I think the least they could have done with PTW is give us an expansion that was worthy of that title after giving us such a no-frills Civ III in the first place.

[WarpStorm]

SuperSlinky, show me one website, posting, print articly, chat-log, or anything that can credibly be shown that Firaxis or Infogrames promised free MP in a patch. I've never seen this and I've looked. I don't think it was ever promised.

Why would Civ3 go into the future? That has never been Sid's thing at all (SMAC was Brian's brainchild and he is an avid science fiction reader, Sid loves history).

If you change the things that make Civ, Civ (21 squares, combat models, etc.) then those fans that enjoy them will complain. They can't please everyone, they decided to please themselves.

Show me a quote that says adding units is not supported. There's even a button to do it. In fact the license expicitly says that you can mod PTW.

Who are they duping by including user created mods? It wasn't even advertised on the box. It is filler. It's including mods and maps that most Civ3 players would never have seen before. Believe it or not, most of the over a million Civ3 players have never been to the major Civ3 sites and aren't aware of these mods. This site has around 25000 members (not all of them Civ3 players or active anymore).

[WarpStorm]

Originally posted by Unconquered
I am asking for quality control warpstorm. Nothing less should be expected for a $30 price tag.

First off, I apologize for implying that you are a whiner. I was wrong.

I agree that PTW was released in a buggy state. It was rushed out to duplication before Firaxis was even told about it.

Second, you act as if this is a lot of money. ???

Back to my original statement, what would you have wanted Firaxis and Infogrames to do to QC your mod before including it? Think hard, David. Is it perfect? Would you have wanted someone else to 'fix' it. Would they have had your vision of what you wanted? Or would you rather that they included it as you released it? I know which I would for my mods.

[Unconquered]

Part of my problem is that I took my map seriously, even though it isn't perfect and I expected other civ map makers to do the same, and some did. But there is some really bad maps that shouldn't have been included. I think it brings the overall quality of the product down. Your right the $30 is not going to break most peoples bank account, but that is not the point. I don't feel like it was a $30 improvement over vanilla civ III, and the "filler" just makes it look like the product wasn't taken seriously. That, along with the fact that you can't write a serious scenario, just adds insult to injury. Don't include extra units, without the ability to produce realistic scenarios for those units. Their time could have been better spent. Thanks for the apology, but I do complain... just not for complaining sake.