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**WarpStorm** · February 5, 2003, 20:15

Mike Beer doesan't like scripting languages, this is true. He told me that there are other ways to provide scripting than languages.

**player1** · February 5, 2003, 20:26

Like simple event editor.
(not event language)

**yin26** · February 7, 2003, 11:21

I only have a stake in criticizing something that can be fixed. Civ3, I've come to believe, is beyond fixing. So there's no need to make any more fuss about it. Better luck next time, Firaxis?

--Yin

P.S. I hate to admit this in public, but I actually hold out some hope for the Gold Edition. My guess is Firaxis is pretty embarrased by releasing such a shoddy game and they might be looking to prove they didn't completely implode once Brian left...

**redhat** · February 7, 2003, 12:51

Down with the Firaxist???

No game is perfect.....it's just how bad are they...
If they write a perfect game today, what can they improve for the future ones?

It's just like windows. If windows stop crashing on you, will you be waiting for the next edition hoping that it won't crash? or at least won't crash that many times an hour?

**Unconquered** · February 7, 2003, 15:01

Where is coracle when you need him

**Mikel** · February 9, 2003, 10:31

I believe there is much less criticism because it did not serve any purpose to those who have now left. Many of you in this forum have raised issues and have seen a response from Firaxis, so the forum serves your purpose. The others who were here did not join Apolyton to criticise Civ III, but because they were huge fans of the Civ series. They raised critcism because they felt the series had more potential than was realised by this game, but that was not addressed and so there was no purpose in their time spent here.

For me PtW is largely pointless. I do not think we need new graphics in an expansion when members of the online community can put together a fantastic collection themselves. I don't want more Civs, I just don't see the point. So all it provided to me was multiplayer which i have not yet been able to use (I didn't see much benefit to the SP game). This highlighted that Civ III was developed and is being supported for a community that does not share my views on how the game should feel. If that community is the majority then Firaxis and Infograms are making a sensible choice by satisfying as many of their customers as possible. Continuous complaints will change nothing.

In it's current form Civ III is a stable and enjoyable game. I have been looking around the boards today to see if anyone has put together a good scenario, or a map that would force more strategic choices into the game. I thought this would capture my interest in the game again. I haven't found anything so if someone could point me in the right direction it would be appreciated.

I have fun with the game, but it still feels like it could have been better.

**Theseus** · February 9, 2003, 12:53

Originally posted by Mikel
(I didn't see much benefit to the SP game).

Hmmm?

I'm, uh, pretty good at Civ3... I ruled on emperor pre-PTW, and since then have had a seriously challenging AI civ opponent in almost every game.

Not that there aren't things I would still criticize, but I / we spent a lot of time asking Firaxis *specifically* for stronger AI behavior, and we got it.

And that's on top of fixing what a lot of flamers were going on about... CFing, etc.

(cough cough... but where's EVENT SCRIPTING... cough cough)

**player1** · February 9, 2003, 15:09

Originally posted by Mikel
In it's current form Civ III is a stable and enjoyable game. I have been looking around the boards today to see if anyone has put together a good scenario, or a map that would force more strategic choices into the game. I thought this would capture my interest in the game again. I haven't found anything so if someone could point me in the right direction it would be appreciated.

Shameless plug: Tried this ?
It's not really a scenario, nor a map, but can be really much interesting.
Especialy if your average games end before modern era.
(gives you some new things to play)

**Dominae** · February 9, 2003, 16:34

I agree with Mikel about the expansion, to a point. Theseus is right in saying that the game has been made harder, but I consider that patch material. Thus we're left with new playable civs and (weak) MP. This is not the kind of thing I like paying 40-50CAN for. Come to think of it, very few expansions in computer games are really worth the additional money. PTW was supposed to change this by offering a whole new Civ3 experience: MP play.

Still, I'm glad I own the product now, just so that I can keep up with the community here (PTW DG, AU, Strat PBEMs). If only MP were better I would not be ranting at all.

Dominae

**notyoueither** · February 9, 2003, 17:38

Originally posted by Dominae
If only MP were better I would not be ranting at all.

The fat lady ain't singin' yet.

**Dominae** · February 9, 2003, 17:43

Originally posted by notyoueither
The fat lady ain't singin' yet.

PTW comes with a fat lady!? Where's mine?

Dominae

**notyoueither** · February 9, 2003, 17:48

She's tuning up for her performance. It should be a good one.

**Sarxis** · February 9, 2003, 19:13

Originally posted by yin26
P.S. I hate to admit this in public, but I actually hold out some hope for the Gold Edition. My guess is Firaxis is pretty embarrased by releasing such a shoddy game and they might be looking to prove they didn't completely implode once Brian left...

Pfft... and to think I looked up to you.

**H Tower** · February 11, 2003, 02:15

Originally posted by notyoueither
She's tuning up for her performance. It should be a good one.

are you sure it isn't Sid?

**ColdWizard** · February 12, 2003, 18:45

Originally posted by notyoueither
She's tuning up for her performance. It should be a good one.

didn't she choke to death when she accidentally inhaled the civ3 LE tin during the warm-up?

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