Unit support

[Trachmir]

I deffinately want nationwide support... but I would like to set a city to contribute a smaller/greater portion, that way I can choose to have my new tiny cities not suffer any loss in production... but my main industrial cities make up that loss.

[wittlich]

I have to agree with Trachmir on this one

[Sabre2th]

Good idea, Trachmir. I hope someone at Firaxis is looking through these forums.

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[Kevin Ar18]

I dont't know how CTP did unit management, but I like the idea of nationwide support where resources from all cities are pooled into one large collection for units.
However, individual cities should still build the units. Then on organized governments, the support could be spread to the entire nation and for less decentralized governments, support could go to individual cities.

[Sabre2th]

quote: I dont't know how CTP did unit management, but I like the idea of nationwide support where resources from all cities are pooled into one large collection for units. However, individual cities should still build the units.

Individual cities still built the units, but production was taken from a pool for unit support. More powerful and advanced units took more support than simple units.

quote: Then on organized governments, the support could be spread to the entire nation and for less decentralized governments, support could go to individual cities.

I like this idea. I don't think anybody's thought of this yet. I think we need some more opinions.......

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[Sabre2th]

*BUMP*

Just trying to keep this near the top. I feel this an important issue.

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[Kevin Ar18]

quote: Individual cities still built the units, but production was taken from a pool for unit support. More powerful and advanced units took more support than simple units.

Let me clarify what I had in mind.
I do not think production for units should be taken from an national pool. Instead, the cities production level determines how fast that city can make units. Then, after the unit is made, support for the unit would go the pool for the entire nation (or individual cities) depending on government.

I think this way is more realistic and more reasonable.
And maybe that's what you had in mind too, but I thought I'd clarify what I meant nonetheless.

quote: Then on organized governments, the support could be spread to the entire nation and for less decentralized governments, support could go to individual cities

Also my suggetion about unit support according to government was based on a post by Youngsun. I think doing this would add a nice touch to the affects different governments already have on the game.
[This message has been edited by Kevin Ar18 (edited February 19, 2001).]

[Henrik]

I want support to be in gold

[GaryGuanine]

Guys,

You have to watch out as to how you look at history. Sure, we have a department of defense, but the entire concept of a nation is only a modern phenomenon. Nationwide support for things would be ludicrous in any time period before, say, the 17th Century. Jeez, look at a roster of a Civil War battle. 17th Massachusetts, 3rd New Jersey. Everything is regional before you have a strong national government. I agree that maybe after you get the final "city picture", you can then have nation-wide support, or maybe after the industrial "city picture" for monarchies. Not the whole time, though.

Gary

[Henrik]

Thats why unit support should be in gold!
During the 17th centuries all nations was up to thier ears in debts, they couldn't pay thier armies, and it would cost them even more to disband them (in reallity it was more costly to disband an army than to keep it, this made wars incredibly expensive afffairs, the most important reason to why the thirty years war (1618-1648) lasted so long was that peace would make every participating nation bankrupt, since they would have to disband thier armies, since during peace they would just cost money and ruin the land).

[Sabre2th]

quote: Originally posted by GaryGuanine on 02-20-2001 03:15 AM Guys, You have to watch out as to how you look at history. Sure, we have a department of defense, but the entire concept of a nation is only a modern phenomenon. Nationwide support for things would be ludicrous in any time period before, say, the 17th Century. Jeez, look at a roster of a Civil War battle. 17th Massachusetts, 3rd New Jersey. Everything is regional before you have a strong national government. I agree that maybe after you get the final "city picture", you can then have nation-wide support, or maybe after the industrial "city picture" for monarchies. Not the whole time, though. Gary

Very true, but we have to keep in mind that this is a game. Not everything can be perfectly accurate. Some things have to be kept simple.

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[Sabre2th]

Kevin -- We're both talking about the same thing. I guess great minds think alike.

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[Kevin Ar18]

How did CTP do distributed unit support?

was it based on gold?
If it was based on shields, how did the support get distrubeted evenly among cities?
Can someone explain the system.

[GaryGuanine]

I understand things have to be kept simple, but what's so hard with city based support? It's not that hard, really. I mean, what do you want, checkers?

Gary

[korn469]

i think that we should have both cities and the nation support units

every unit should have a home base that supports it in shields and each military unit should take one gold from the national treasury every turn in upkeep...but if can't afford to pay your troops they riot and revolt, but don't disband...but when you do disband a military unit it should cost you two gold as a discharge fee...if you couldn't afford this then you couldn't disband your unit

korn469