The Big,Big,Big List of Wonders

[Evil Capitalist]

Before the British East India company eclipsed it. I'm against any 'india company' wonders.

[Dauphin]

From the above list of wonders - I'd be surprised to see a nation build the Great Barrier Reef, the Grand Canyon or the Mt. Everest wonder As natural phenomenon they can be capitalised on by tourism but not really built or created. Discovery of them may bring a bonus but that would be pointless really as someone is bound to start near to them and so it would be pure luck.

National Parks aren't as bad but are still not built.

[DarkCloud]

Yes, natural wonders should not be able to be built.

Angkor Wat: No can do. (but thank you anyway for the idea)

Los Alamos: Generates 1500 beakers or 25% of your total science output, whichever is more.

The Dome of the Rock: Increases trade by 25% (pilgrims), 5 happy citizens emerge in the city its built in.

Chichen Itza is out.

Most on that list of wonders are fairly bad for a wonder idea.
Lucasfilm: HA!

VOC- Sorry.

(Thank you for all ideas.)

[Stuff2]

I suggest we limit wonders of the world to actual buildings. Also i'd like to see wonder in these categories:

- Stone age (everthing earlier than 1000 BC)
- Classic (1000 BC to 500 AD)
- Dark age (500 AD to 1000)
- The mideval age (1000 to 1400)
- The Renaissance (1400 to 1600)
- The enlightment (1600 to 1800)
- The industrial revolution (1800 to 1900)
- The automobile era (1900 - 1975)
- Modern (1975 - 2050)
- Future (2050 - 2100)

Some of the names are not suitable but i think you get the picture.

[Shadowstrike]

Hmm... I think we can rename the first era Neolithic, but not Bronze (bronze working was not discovered before c.3000 B.C)

[wernazuma]

I think this list of eras is far to ethnocentric.
What you consider the dark-ages were dark ages only in Europe, but not in other parts so calling it dark-ages isn't quite the correct for this era (anyway what big wonders are supposed to be built in dark ages? none, that's why they are dark). The dark ages aren't something avery civ has to go through after the classic period.
I think the eras we have are enough. I wouldn't even introduce a "Bronze Age" before Antiquity, if you imagine how much mesoamerican cultures could do without metalworking, a Bronze-Age doesn't make very much sense.

[Evil Capitalist]

Again- NOT WEST POINT.

Sorry for shouting, but look at this thread

[Shadowstrike]

Hmm... how about a few wonders in the near future, i.e. a Space Station wonder (a better station then the proposed ISS) and a Moon Base wonder (possible now, but no one bothers with that idea)

[Lonestar]

West Point
Creates a Barracks in each city, also, any units built in same city as West Point will get "Elite" status.

Chaco Canyon
This is a massive Anasazi settlement. All irrigated tiles will give an additional food unit. (The Anasazi were masters at irrgation)


The Morill Act
Creates University in every city. (Based on Congress Morill Act of 1862, led to a whole lot of "Tech" and "A&M" colleges)


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[This message has been edited by Lonestar (edited September 26, 2000).]

[Dauphin]

I think i'm reiterating previous statements on the subject but I'm thinking that a wonder should be famous or at least well known to a large number of people. For example the Morril Act that Lonestar suggested is not - if you have to explain what your wonder is then is it really appropiate?

Excuse my ignorance if it is

[Lonestar]

Capitalist, you evil capitalist oppressor....

Y'all Really think Sun Tzu's War Acadamy is better than West Point? (or VMI, Annapolis)

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[Evil Capitalist]

I don't think Sun Tzu should be in either. Nor Clauscwitz's on war. Nor West Pnt, Sandhurst, or any other unique training wonder.

[Comrade Dan]

Damn! Leonardo's Workshop is the only wonder I buld in Civ! (unless everyone else is far behind, then I also build Manhatten) And I don't really wanna continously build units when my city defenders get out of date!

Seriously consider the ramifications for some players when you scrap Leonardo's Workshop!

[Shadowstrike]

Don't worry Dan, that idea is too good to scrap. It will come back, probably under a different name though.

How about some modern ideas, i.e. The Empire State Building (it was a breakthrough in skyscraper construction) and that tall freestanding Inuit stone statue of a man, whatever it was called.

[DarkCloud]

Interesting history about the VOC, however there is a reason why I do not believe the East India Company or the VOC is suitable for Civ III.

And that is they are tangible and are companies. However they rely more on other nations than their own for their significance.

Perhaps the VOC can be an option of the UN to allow free trade and such. Whoever has the most caravans would get a movement bonus through enemy territory or something.

-Chaco Canyon, West Point, and the Other One. Thank's for you ideas but I do not believe these should be in Civ III as being either too narrow or too insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

The ages idea is a good one.