The Big,Big,Big List of Wonders

[Dauphin]

Nelson's Column is a statue of Horatio Nelson on top of a column at Trafalgar Square, London.
It isn't a wonder in itself but if you consider it to represent the dawn of British Naval supremacy then it can be. Maybe it could increase naval attack strength.

[Ribannah]

quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud on 09-18-2000 09:28 PM Ten Commandments- why would they increase the speed of terrain improvement?

Obedience ... and the connection with the promised land.

quote: Kruger National Park- I have never heard of this place.

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quote: Woodstock- Why all techs???

The hippy movement had, above all, a great influence on free thought.

[Shadowstrike]

Maybe if you complete destroying an enemy civ, you could recieve a "triumph" which produces a WLTL day in every city fdor a couple of turns and a "Triumph Monument" in your Throne Room or in your capital city.

This monument could vary from civ to civ (i.e. egyptians get an obelisk, the Frech an Arc, etc.)

[DarkCloud]

-Sorry Ribannah, I just dont think the Ten Commandments belong in the game.
And considering Political Correctness, Firaxis probably wouldn't include it
because it insults all non-western religions.
-I'll check Kreuger National Park out, but wouldn't Yellowstone (The first national
park ever) be a better one for this list?
-Sorry, I can't accept the fact that Woodstock should be in this list.

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[Hannibal3]

I think some of these are ridiculous without even the functions that they serve. Let's try to keep to monuments that are FEASIBLE TO CONSTRUCT. Some people were having problems with certain things that never actually got the title of wonder, or some landmarks that never existed.

I don't think its really that important whether the stucture really existed, I just think that it should be something that a government could actually construct. But E=MC^2 or the Ten Commandments... these just can't be actually built. And there are others like the EU, Ford, the Cultural Revolution (who'd want to build that one), and OPEC.

I did like things like Stonehenge, Sydney Opera House, Golden Gate Bridge (although maybe Brooklyn Bridge is better since it was really the revolutionary one for its time). The Red Cross was good. Empire State Building (good). Versailles was a great idea too. And I think that the Eiffel Tower should be kept!

Also, the Sun-Pyramid of Teotihuacan... heck, why stop there? Make it Teotihuacan itself! Its all one big wonder in itself.

I have few suggestions of my own...
1.Taj Mahal

2.Arch de Triumph (or however you spell it)

3.The City of Brasilia (really not sure about that one. may should be The City of (insert capital here))

4.The Burial Mounds (of the Mississippi region **hey the native americans have really been getting ripped off in the wonders**)

5.Angkor Wat

6.The Christ Statue (Rio de janeiro) Yet another plug for Brasil? I think so...

I think that there should be many more wonders available in the game, but maybe should just have monument status. Their function is to boost the civilization score in various areas. This way there are not all these wonders that give huge advantages to those who accumulate many of them.

And guys, how about we tone down on the functions of some of these wonders... why don't we just make an "Alien Powers" wonder which gives invincibility, every tech, and a free spaceship??

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"...The highest realization of warfare is to attack the enemy's plans; next is to attack their alliances; next to attack their army; and the lowest is to attack their fortified cities." - Sun Tzu

[Evil Capitalist]

OK- the government specific wonders:

Despotism- Taj Mahal: Courthouse in every city

Monarchy- Versailles: 2 more units supported for free

Theocracy- Chichen Itza: +1 happy citizen/city

Republic- The Forum: -75% corruption

Republic- Arc de Triomphe: No corruption

Communism- Lenin's mausoleum: +10% production

Fascism- Great Arch (Hitler planned to build this): +1 attack for all units

Democracy- Statue of liberty: As WS.

Democracy- Big Ben: +25% on all trade routes

There must be better ones than these- discuss.
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[Ribannah]

quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud on 09-20-2000 06:41 PM -Sorry Ribannah, I just dont think the Ten Commandments belong in the game. And considering Political Correctness, Firaxis probably wouldn't include it because it insults all non-western religions. -I'll check Kreuger National Park out, but wouldn't Yellowstone (The first national park ever) be a better one for this list? -Sorry, I can't accept the fact that Woodstock should be in this list.

Well, it's your list, so use what you like and discard the rest. I have my own list
I don't think you are right about Firaxis not willing to include a wonder like "The Ten Commandments". After all, they did include Darwin's Voyage in Civ II, and The Oracle, and even King Richard's Crusade!

Yellowstone is of course just as good as Kruger, but Africa doesn't have many wonders at the moment while North America has plenty.

Some more ideas, still thinking about what exactly they should do:

The Hermitage (of St. Petersburg, Enlightenment)
Rubik's Cube (Algorithms)
The VOC ("Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie", Magnetism)
The Odyssey (Polytheism)

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[Evil Capitalist]

I agree, but one reason for these wonders is to make people stay in older governments beyond their normal game life. While the Kabah is good, I'm not so sure about St Peters, Russia has always been very autocratic.

[DarkCloud]

Yes, the European Union and E=Mc2 should be gone and I will take them out.

Taj Mahal- (Courthouse in every city)
Arch de Triumph- (No corruption)
3,4- No
Angkor Wat- What is this?
The Christ Statue- what should it do?
Chichen Itza- +1 happy citizen per city
The Hermitage- +2 content citizens per city
The VOC- What is this?
Rubik's and the Oddessy-No
Kaba- Better conversion ability for Missionaries (if there are missionaries in Civ3)

Thank you for all your ideas.

[wernazuma]

Angkor-Vhat: A temple from the 12th century in Angkor, capitol of the Khmer-Empire.

And I still insist: Chichen Itza is a city. Cities are founded by settlers and not built as wonders in other cities (Imagine ab "Athens Wonder")

[wernazuma]

Evil Capitalist: that's a quite good list I think.
Nevertheless I think Chichen Itza shouldn't be a wonder, it's a city (like Teotihuacan, that's why I made its Sun-Pyramid a wonder).
Other possible wonders for Theocracy: The Kaba,
St. Peter's Cathedral (as I already said). Possible effects:
Kaba-Better conversion ability for Missionaries (if there are missionaries in Civ3)
St. Peter: gives higher tax-income in Theocracies.

[Shadowstrike]

quote: Angkor Wat- What is this?

Angkor Wat is a giant temple hewn of stone in the Cambodian jungle, built by the Khmer people. Its a stunning site, but unfortnately, its being destroyed by looters.

What about: The Dome of the Rock, The Tower Of Babel, Nazca Lines, Los Alamos (sp?) (the place where the nuke was built, contained best equipment and best scientists during WW2)

Los Alamos: Generates 1500 beakers or 25% of your total science output, whichever is more.

The Dome of the Rock: Increases trade by 25% (pilgrims), 5 happy citizens emerge in the city its built in.

Can someone else fill in the other 2?
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[cpp]

Los Alamos: The manhaten project is allready a wonder.

[Stefu]

This is from The List, Wonders section.

Abu Simbel
Admiral Nelson's Fleet: increased ship strength/movement, maybe
Agora (huge market in Mali, possibly, trade bonus; effect: caravans treat all squares as roads, or 6 moves, or travel
over water without ships).
Alaskan Oil Pipeline
Alfred Nobel's Foundation
The Almagest (Ptolemy's Almagest): boost to science
Angel Falls
Angkor Wat
Area 51
Aristotle's Encyclopedia of Knowledge: boost to ancient science, but gradually declines to become a hindrance to
science later on; eventually goes obsolete with Heliocentrism
The Aswan Dam
Aura of Invincibility (morale, police bonus)
The Aztec Temple in Tenochtitlan
Banaue Rice Terraces
The Bay of Fundy
Borobudur Temple
Carnegie Steel Corporation: boost to production, I assume
The Channel Tunnel: connects two cities (must be constructed between two civilizations, maybe?)
Chronosphere (airport in every city)
The Clock Tower (Big Ben)
The CN Tower
The Colosseum
The Crystal Palace
Diderot's Encyclopedia: science
Dome on the Rock (one content per city; all civs with Monotheism suffer 1 unhappy per city in 4+ cities; in
addition, religion based govts would suffer x2 effect, while atheist govts, i.e. communism, would be immune)
Drugs
Ellis Island (makes 0.01% of the world's population emigrate to the city each year)
Empire State Building
Fedreal Bureau of Investigation: veteran spies, effects of spy in every city, better protection vs. rival
spies/diplomats/corporate branches, etc.
First Contact (achieves victory)
Francis Bacon's Royal Society: science
The Gateway Arch
The Grand Canyon
Grand Palace of the Soviet (diplomatic bonus)
The Great Barrier Reef
The Great Canal
Great General Staff (Gro?er Generalstab)
The Great Polis (removes negative effects of current government in that city only; if captured, will not function
again until all citizens "assimilated" into your empire)
The Great Revolution (allows democracy and modern republic governments; before which, only autocratic
governments and oligarchic republic are allowed; instantly switches building civ's government to modern republic
and halves military costs for next 20 turns)
Ibn Battuta's Travels
Iguacu Falls
The Iliad: double movement rate of settlers and clerics
Imperial Navy Shipyard
International Space Station (buildable only cooperatively with allied nations)
Ise Shrine
Itaipu Dam
The Kaaba: happiness
King Asoka's Edict
KGB: same as FBI
King Richard's Crusade (modified): bonus morale to all land units, all cities gain +1 trade for temples, +2 if
cathedrals, +3 with both. Increases chance of tech diffusion with civs you've contacted. Available w/Chivalry, ends
w/Conscription.
Krakatoa Island
The Kremlin
The Leaning Tower
Lucasfilm
Machu Pichu
The Marianas Trench: underwater natural wonder
Mars Colony
The Mausoleum
The Mayan Temples of Mikal
Millennium Tower (allow more citizens to live in the city, or boost population by 3 in one turn)
Mines of Potosi
The Moai Statues
Mont-Saint-Michel
Moon Base
Mt. Everest
Mt. Fuji
Mt. Kilimanjaro
Mt. Rushmore
Nakamatsu's Workshop
The New Deal (same effect as Cure for Cancer)
Niagara Falls
The Olympic Games: happiness wonder, buildable in early ages, goes obsolete in renaissance ten "turns on" again in
modern times
Paricutin Volcano
The Parthenon: happiness
Petra
The Petronas Towers
The Polders: reclaiming land from the sea
Potala
The Queen's Dominion
Red Square
The Red-Line (Transatlantic Cable)
St. Basil's Cathedral
St. Peter's Basilica
SDI
The Shwedagon Pagoda
Statue of Zeus
Statue of Cristo Redentor: happiness
Stupa of Wild Goose
Sultan's Forge: boost to gunpowder units/cannons
Sydney Opera House
Taj Mahal
Temple of Artemis
Temple of the Inscriptions
Tennessee Valley Authority: increased public works, maybe...
Three Gorges Dam
The Throne Hall of Persepolis
The Time Tunnel (look, it wasn't my idea)
Trans-Siberian Railroad (will build railroads between all cities; this assumes that RR's do not allow unlimited
movement, but perhaps 1/12th point per square; also halves time to build RR's)
Tycho Brahe's Observatory (Uranienborg): science
Utopia (effect of Great Polis in every city in civ; your govt and SE can never change)
Victoria Falls
Wall Street
West Point
Ziggurat at Ur
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[Ribannah]

quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud on 09-21-2000 07:01 PM The VOC- What is this?

The VOC (1602-1795) controlled most of the trade with the (East) Indies during the height of the Dutch civilization in that period (the Golden Age = the 17th century).




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