14 POLL: "unique benefits depending on the Civilization you choose"

[Grumbold]

quote: "The historical precedent for this would be the English, who were basicly unbeatable until the more than met their match in the war of 1812. "

Off the top of my head, the "English" are the people who occupy the largest part of the British Isles and have been invaded, conquered, occupied (in whole or part) and generally roughly handled by the Romans, Saxons, Irish, Norse, Vikings and Normans to name but a few. If civ3 can somehow model that and still allow them to later grow into an imperial power I will be mightily impressed! Personally I expect we'll never know because most players would have restarted at or before 50 A.D

[St Leo]

Off the top of my head, the "English" are the people who occupy the largest part of the British Isles and have been invaded, conquered, occupied (in whole or part) and generally roughly handled by the Romans, Saxons, Irish, Norse, Vikings and Normans to name but a few.

Off the top of my head, the "English" are Saxons( +Angles +Jutes +Frisians +Whatever) who dispaced Celts (as in Welsh, Britons, Scots, Picts, and Irish) and were for brief periods of time ruled by Romans and Vikings (Danes, Norwegians, Normans).

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[Cyclotron]

quote: Originally posted by Biddles on 01-23-2001 07:26 PM Contrary to popular(american) belief, the war of 1812 was merely a sideshow to the napoleonic wars. Besides, nobody won the war of 1812, it ended in compromise.

Actually, at least some of us Americans are well informed. Not really a compromise, more of a standoff that nobody could win. The British Parliament backed down on impressment policies (although ironically this happened several days BEFORE we declared war, due to poor communication) but they got to burn down our capital. Mostly, it was just a morale booster for us due to the Battle of New Orleans, which would have been a decisive victory for us but for the fact it was fought a few days AFTER the treaty to end the war was signed. Although the causes of the war of 1812 sprang from British policy during the Napoleonic Wars, it was not part of it. And it certainly wasn't a sideshow to the Americans.

[Theben]

It seems the idea to have benefits arrive with experience is quite popular. I think Firaxis knows what to do now.

[MarkG]

we got Brian Reynolds to answer on the issue...
http://apolyton.net/misc/interviews/bhg_breynolds.shtml

[Biddles]

Sorry, sideshow was probably the wrong word to use. I was meaning that 1812 was pretty much inconsequential to the european powers since they were more worried about what was happening to them. (And I didn't want it to mean that it was "a sideshow"to americans)

[Sarxis]

The more options you give us, the more of us you will please!

Who says you can't please everyone?

[Lancer]

Actually I don't like options. I think there should be an option button that turns them off.

[Theben]

How about trade options? I'd like to sell AT&T short...

[Maniac]

Where could I find some more information about that presumed war between the British and the Americans in 1812? I, nor my history teacher, has ever heart before of that war or a 'Battle of New Orleans'. That unimportant it must have been!

[airdrik]

quote: Originally posted by M@ni@c on 02-02-2001 04:17 PM Where could I find some more information about that presumed war between the British and the Americans in 1812? I, nor my history teacher, has ever heart before of that war or a 'Battle of New Orleans'. That unimportant it must have been!

You've never heard of the War of 1812? Have you heard the 1812 Overture(which wasn't written till a while after the fact)? The song 'The Star Spangled Banner' was written by an American captured by the Brittish durring that war as well. You can look it up on the net or in your local library, or in an encyclopedia, etc. It happened and you must have described it to your teacher wrong if you think he/she doesn't know.

Anyway I like the idea of developing bonuses/penalties over time. It would be interresting to try and play the peace loving scientific country with all the science bonuses in the world and then when you've researched everything turn arround and get slautered trying to whip everyone else out with your howizers and armors when they still have musketeers and cannons .

[Theben]

Mani@c is from Belgium, I believe, so he's got a reason not to have heard of it.

[Roman]

I have certainly heard of the 1812 war, but no insult to anyone, the war's importance was very minor, so I do not understand why is it being held up as an example. Someone, please explain.

[Maniac]

American patriotism; that's all.

[Maniac]

Ignore this double-post due to my slow internet connection combined with my momentarily impatient mood.
[This message has been edited by M@ni@c (edited February 04, 2001).]