civ 3 potential. How to improve

[bobbo008]

"There hasn't been two countries at war with one another in Europe since 1945."

Unless you count Chechnya, but technically those aren't too countries.

Or unless you count that time the French hotel wouldn't let a German couple rent a room, but that's not really a war, just a story my German teacher told me.

[Datajack Franit]

Constant wars always happened in human history! If you don't want wars follow my strategy

I played on a pangea map as the germans with greek, japanese and romans on the other side of the continent and the egyptians in the middle. Romans are my best friends so I CAN'T let them down when egypt start to invade them and seize Rome- my cavarly reaches Thebes and burn all the cities all the way through ; all of sudden the romans, greek and japanese HATE me! They're furious at me even though they all have mutual protection pacts- could it be all those civilians slaughtered? Hmm But I helped them so much during the war! 50 gold per turn, oil, incense, gems, iron, coal and maps for FREE during 60 turns of war. You see? There's no way you can tell the AI not to have war. Just let them become weak then burn!

[Panag]

Originally posted by bobbo008
"There hasn't been two countries at war with one another in Europe since 1945."

Unless you count Chechnya, but technically those aren't too countries.

Or unless you count that time the French hotel wouldn't let a German couple rent a room, but that's not really a war, just a story my German teacher told me.

hi ,



huh , what about spain and france with the basks , what about north ireland , what about the former yugoslavia , etc , ......

or are those countries not in europe

or has there not been a war after wwII

what about the Greek civil war or is Greece not in europe

plenty of wars and plenty of them in europe (!)

have a nice day

[Zachriel]

Re: civ 3 potential. How to improve

Originally posted by aeroheli
I want war to be rare. . . .

I once calculated how much time was spent in a state of war in the game. The answer (for GOTM5) was 22% of the time. That means that 78% of the time was at peace, including Pax Americana.


Manifest Destiny
http://www.zachriel.com/gotm5/

. . . . I would love to change the game to make it so all the powers are in their set territories. We can trade, enhance our civilizations, . . . .

Trade can be so much more satisfying after a good war.

[bobbo008]

"huh , what about spain and france with the basks , what about north ireland , what about the former yugoslavia , etc , ......
or are those countries not in europe
or has there not been a war after wwII
what about the Greek civil war or is Greece not in europe
plenty of wars and plenty of them in europe (!)
have a nice day"

For future reference, it's "basque", not "bask".
And Greece is in Europe, physically and politically.
I wasn't the one saying there were no wars, I was just giving examples why there are still tensions. Most ethnic groups have tensions with other ethnic groups, unfortunately. A good example was when my German teacher was asked by a student why the French hated the Germans. She replied, "Everybody hates the Germans".

[Panag]

Originally posted by bobbo008
"huh , what about spain and france with the basks , what about north ireland , what about the former yugoslavia , etc , ......
or are those countries not in europe
or has there not been a war after wwII
what about the Greek civil war or is Greece not in europe
plenty of wars and plenty of them in europe (!)
have a nice day"

For future reference, it's "basque", not "bask".
And Greece is in Europe, physically and politically.
I wasn't the one saying there were no wars, I was just giving examples why there are still tensions. Most ethnic groups have tensions with other ethnic groups, unfortunately. A good example was when my German teacher was asked by a student why the French hated the Germans. She replied, "Everybody hates the Germans".

hi ,

for future reference , leave the "[/Quote] , ........

the word "basks" is okayed by the basks themselfs , from the site , .....

have a nice day

[macaskil]

I think the point being made that there have not been any wars in the civ3 sense, of one "civ" declaring war and directly attacking another, in Europe, since 1945.

All the conflicts have been internal, within the boundaries established in 1945.

civ3 is somewhat lacking in that it doesn't model these sort of conflicts such as

- Ireland
- Cyprus
- Euzkadi (Basque country)
- Corsica
- former Yugoslavia
- Chechnya
- disputes between former USSR member nations
etc

The major powers now tend to fight wars by proxy, outside Europe: eg in Afghanistan, Angola, Vietnam, Korea.

The third world is thus used by all the civs as a source of cheap raw materials, food and manufactured goods and a market for arms, without going to the bother of having an actual empire.

[Zachriel]

Originally posted by macaskil
civ3 is somewhat lacking in that it doesn't model these sort of conflicts such as

- Ireland
- Cyprus
- Euzkadi (Basque country)
- Corsica
- former Yugoslavia
- Chechnya
- disputes between former USSR member nations
etc

Sort of. It's modelled with Culture flipping.

Will Northern Ireland flip to the Republic of Ireland, or will it stay in the UK? Will Chechnya flip to the "Islamic Civ", or will it stay in Russia. Will Bosnia join Greater Europe, or will it remain in Yugoslavia?

[HaVoC]

Well, if I'm thinking right, the world has been at war at some place or another through all history. The United States, for example, has been at war almost all the time since it's existance; war of independence, war against Spain, war against Mexico, war against itself, war against the indians, war against Cuba, "cold" war against Soviet Union, war against German Empire, war against Third Reich, war against North Korea, war against Vietkong, war against Iraq, war against Milosevic war against Taliban, "guerilla" wars against almost every South American country.... it's a never ending story.

Apart from that, the U.S. has troops stationed in practically every allied country across the world.

Therefore I wouldn't call the never ending wars in Civ or foreign troops moving through allied countries unrealistic.

[Panag]

hi ,

, it would be intresting to send a type of unit in ones country to create some havoc , ......

there are several scenario's in CIV II where a country splits in two , combined with a unit we could be onto something here , ........



what is also needed is unit trading , with and without the technology of that unit , ....

have a nice day

[Optimizer]

Civ should have a "casus belli" concept like Europa Universalis. Illegal trespassing, certain spy actions and threats would give you a casus belli for a couple of turns. Declaring a war without a casus belli would cause war weariness if you are under a peace government, and damage your reputation.

[Tattila the Hun]

There have been something like 20 peacefull years in human history.

[Panag]

hi ,

we should have the option again to declare war if some-one sabotages our production , we should need an agent then or so , but this has to be worked on , ....

have a nice day

[bobbo008]

"for future reference , leave the "[/Quote] , ........

sorry, too much work...

"the word "basks" is okayed by the basks themselfs , from the site , ..... "

then we shouldn't be calling the Germans "Germans", then, since they don't call themselves that. I was thinking of just keeping it all "one" language, but your way is equally (if not more) justified.

"Will Northern Ireland flip to the Republic of Ireland, or will it stay in the UK? Will Chechnya flip to the "Islamic Civ", or will it stay in Russia. Will Bosnia join Greater Europe, or will it remain in Yugoslavia?"

Chechnya is more towards independance, unless i'm mistaken... that's not really "internal" though, for example, in Northern Ireland, they people in the area itself aren't fighting amongst themselves.

"There have been something like 20 peacefull years in human history."

not "big" wars, but things like Afghanistan (Soviet and U.S. presense), and other "covert" things.