Postmodern Civ

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by MiloMilo
Sorry, where is that not true?

Sorry, are you going to make this argument in every post?

1) what the heck do you care, if you don't live here?

I am generally interested in human rights.

2) up 'til now I've avoided throwing around labels, but if you think a temporary shift towards conservatism in the American power structure, tragic though it may be, actually makes the country and its citizens evil, then you are ignorant.

Temporary? I consder America quite conservative.

A country is a conglomeration of citizens. I could argue that most Americans object to the aforesaid shift (remember, more people voted for Gore than for Bush in the 2000 election). So even if you think that the leadership is bad or somehow evil, you can't apply that logic to the country as a whole. We have to suck it up and wait this out for two more years, then we'll get back on track.

I never said anything about the citizens.

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by ruby_maser


aw, punkbass, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't completely ignorant, but if you want to get into a semantic arguement about it... I'll concede.

But, in all fairness, I never saw a sidenote in the definition that said it could only be used in totality.

Hey, you roleplayers are the Spanish, right?

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by punkbass2000


Hey, you roleplayers are the Spanish, right?

yeah, I decided to be on a team that picked a civilization that could go through life and not be wrongly blamed for everything

you thinking it should have been America? you could then say there was no "eviler" force in the PTW DG game

[punkbass2000]

No, it was just that someone on our team seems to think the Spanish are an AI civ, and I'm like 'I'm pretty sure there is no AI, and I'm pretty sure the Spanish are the roleplay team'. I was just confirming with an actual roleplayer.

[FrankBullit]

All Punkbass does is validate my opinion that Canada is a socialist plot by the U.N. to undermine the U.S. Look at the flag he flies his opinions under! Fact: The only reason that Punkbass can even SAY what he does is because militarily poor, pitiful Canada hides behind the U.S. military's skirts like a girly-man in a red-neck bar...that bar being a very undemocratic and cruel world, not the U.S. Shame is, Punkbass, I just heard that Bush quietly ok'ed all the future support and aid that Canada will ever need to combat terrorism or outside aggression on its own soil...I would prefer to allow Canada to become just another puppet state of any and all U.N., anti-American interests until enough Western Canadians get fed-up, succeed and become part of the U.S.

[igloo_boy]

Canada is bigger and we're on top. If this was prison, you'd be our b*tch

[Tattila the Hun]

Originally posted by FrankBullit
All Punkbass does is validate my opinion that Canada is a socialist plot by the U.N. to undermine the U.S. Look at the flag he flies his opinions under! Fact: The only reason that Punkbass can even SAY what he does is because militarily poor, pitiful Canada hides behind the U.S. military's skirts like a girly-man in a red-neck bar...that bar being a very undemocratic and cruel world, not the U.S. Shame is, Punkbass, I just heard that Bush quietly ok'ed all the future support and aid that Canada will ever need to combat terrorism or outside aggression on its own soil...I would prefer to allow Canada to become just another puppet state of any and all U.N., anti-American interests until enough Western Canadians get fed-up, succeed and become part of the U.S.

Numbers, give me numbers! (Like the personnel amount etc.)

[FrankBullit]

Originally posted by Tattila the Hun


Numbers, give me numbers! (Like the personnel amount etc.)

Pitiful Canada's entire military numbers something like 55,000 total! That is smaller than the size of NY City's police dept.! If a real country like China (Lord knows all those empty Canadian acres must look pretty good to a population of 1 billion people) ever decided to annex it Canada couldn't even muster enough force to blow the snot out of its own nose to stop them. Besides that, the almighty-on-high tax-sucking politicians in Toronto and Ottawa are making the tax-payers in Western Canada mighty unhappy. Igloo and his ilk would be better served spending their energy in keeping their own giant glacier in one piece rather than continuing to display U.S. envy. Yes, igloo, bigger really is better, and we be very much bigger!

[brianshapiro]

PUNKBASS:

my point in the original post is that consumerist/etc values are connected to understandings of the world which are like games --ie where game theory is from. i think no matter what you try to make in a regular type computer game the most fun will always come down to being based on 'programs' which either implies competitive goals or individual tasks to overcome. there are other 'games' like tomagotchi that are interesting vwhich are more experimental but these have the consumerist aspect take them over in another way. most sim games by maxis though for instance which are PC games arent interesting past the first few days the only really good sim game in my opinion has been simcity starting with sc 2000 which increasingly has competitive elements, the second best is sim ant which is competitive also.
but at any rate i think most americans think of the economy , politics, etc as games people play and use analogies to sports games where there is no truth but there are rules.
and the only reason its 'primarily' american is because americans are the center of the culture today but europe and everywhere else is only in as much as they differ a negative image of america . the facets in contemporary culture are seen stronger in other areas of the world its just that they can center everything on america [ie globalization,postmodernism,welfare state, etc are all believed in stronger in europe and south america ,etc by leaders]

[brianshapiro]

no truth but rules of play, like games., and i would also connect this to the law culture

[MiloMilo]

Originally posted by brianshapiro
no truth but rules of play, like games., and i would also connect this to the law culture

Definitely. (That's not a criticism though.)