Postmodern Civ

[punkbass2000]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by ruby_maser

Originally posted by punkbass2000
I take it you think that guy should be able to spurt out anything he wants. There are limitations to personal freedoms in every country, punk.

So? How come the defense for America is always, 'Well, it's not JUST us', as though that argument has some validity.

Ours just espoused the concept of having as few as possible.

Sure, America has all the necessary limitations. Who cares about freedom anyway?

It's one thing to not be able to threaten the life of a president, but this is just too much

The guy made a joke. He did not threaten the President's life. It was a pretty funny joke too. Throwing him in jail is clearly ridiculous.

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by punkbass2000 The guy made a joke. He did not threaten the President's life. It was a pretty funny joke too. Throwing him in jail is clearly ridiculous.

I was referring to my not being able to shout "fire" in a crowded room when I said 'this is too much'

As to that guy, joke or not, he was ignorant enough voice it where some could misconstrue it as being serious. Isn't that enough to spend 36 months in jail ...liked he'd actually serve 1/10th of that.

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by ruby_maser


I was referring to my not being able to shout "fire" in a crowded room when I said 'this is too much'

I know. I didn't particularly mean to have that part of it in the quote, it was just part of the sentence.

As to that guy, joke or not, he was ignorant enough voice it where some could misconstrue it as being serious.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by 'ignorant' in this context, but I assume you're saying that doing so was a bad move. In any case, I find this argument irrelevant. He shouldn't have to think about something like that in a country that supposedly has free speech. I mean, anyone could construe anything to mean anything anywhere at any time.

Isn't that enough to spend 36 months in jail ...liked he'd actually serve 1/10th of that.

Injustice is injustice, regardless of size. The fact that he even had to stand trial is ridiculous, IMO. Remind me never to go to the US, I'd probably end up in jail.

[revolt]

it's odd that so many people use the word ignorant, yet they have no idea what it means.

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by revolt
it's odd that so many people use the word ignorant, yet they have no idea what it means.

why does it have a double meaning in Canadian?

[punkbass2000]

I think revolt means that you really should have used a word like 'stupid', as ignorant really just doesn't make sense in that sentence.

[ruby_maser]

don't make me get out a dictionary and beat you with, punkbass. you either, revolt

#3 definition on dictionary.com for ignorant is "to be unaware or uninformed". I think he was unaware of his surroundings and that being in public among strangers (especially the city the President of the United States will visit the next day) warrants a little restraint when you decide to crack a joke about killing the President. I could have gone with either.

However, I now think both of you are ignorant (p.s. that means unaware or uninformed )

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by ruby_maser
don't make me get out a dictionary and beat you with, punkbass. you either, revolt

#3 definition on dictionary.com for ignorant is "to be unaware or uninformed". I think he was unaware of his surroundings and that being in public among strangers (especially the city the President of the United States will visit the next day) warrants a little restraint when you decide to crack a joke about killing the President. I could have gone with either.

However, I now think both of you are ignorant (p.s. that means unaware or uninformed )

I know what ignorant means. The phrase 'ignorant enough' is meaningless. One is either ignorant or not.

[MiloMilo]

Originally posted by punkbass2000 Free Country?[/url] Yeah right.

Freer than most, dude. What does that say about the rest of the world?

And, before you jump down my throat, understand that I'm not some kind of psychotic would-be patriot. I'm actually in the process of bringing a lawsuit against the Bush/Ashcroft regime to put a stop to some of their post-9/11 civil rights abuses. That this can even be done, and that the federal government will submit to the rulings of a court at the end of the proceedings, says a lot about freedom in America.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by MiloMilo


Freer than most, dude. What does that say about the rest of the world?

And, before you jump down my throat, understand that I'm not some kind of psychotic would-be patriot. I'm actually in the process of bringing a lawsuit against the Bush/Ashcroft regime to put a stop to some of their post-9/11 civil rights abuses. That this can even be done, and that the federal government will submit to the rulings of a court at the end of the proceedings, says a lot about freedom in America.

Hmm, that link is saying a lot about where the freedoms are going, and its not towards the sky

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by MiloMilo


Freer than most, dude. What does that say about the rest of the world?

I believe I've already responded to this so-called 'argument'.

And, before you jump down my throat, understand that I'm not some kind of psychotic would-be patriot. I'm actually in the process of bringing a lawsuit against the Bush/Ashcroft regime to put a stop to some of their post-9/11 civil rights abuses. That this can even be done, and that the federal government will submit to the rulings of a court at the end of the proceedings, says a lot about freedom in America.

I'm glad that you're doing this, but I will bet you absolutely anything that Bush will not be punished. And I think that says a lot about America. Also, though America may have decent political rights and freedoms, they are IMO meaningless given the economic disparity. In America, people with more money are 'freer' than people with less.

[ChaotikVisions]

Why don't you folks take it to the OT forum? If I wanted to hear people whine about politics or foreigners tell me just how my country was run, i'd ask there, not here. This has gone from discussing the article to just bashing America, all well and good if thats your opinion but you should move it there since its no longer relevant to Civ3.

[punkbass2000]

What difference does it make to you? The thread's already started, just don't read it. Try to ignore the post count from the General Forum too.

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by punkbass2000


I know what ignorant means. The phrase 'ignorant enough' is meaningless. One is either ignorant or not.

aw, punkbass, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't completely ignorant, but if you want to get into a semantic arguement about it... I'll concede.

But, in all fairness, I never saw a sidenote in the definition that said it could only be used in totality.

[MiloMilo]

Originally posted by punkbass2000 In America, people with more money are 'freer' than people with less.

Sorry, where is that not true?

I grant that liberties have been on the decline here lately. Believe me, I lament the situation. But,

1) what the heck do you care, if you don't live here? and

2) up 'til now I've avoided throwing around labels, but if you think a temporary shift towards conservatism in the American power structure, tragic though it may be, actually makes the country and its citizens evil, then you are ignorant.

A country is a conglomeration of citizens. I could argue that most Americans object to the aforesaid shift (remember, more people voted for Gore than for Bush in the 2000 election). So even if you think that the leadership is bad or somehow evil, you can't apply that logic to the country as a whole. We have to suck it up and wait this out for two more years, then we'll get back on track.

Of course, if you want to argure that American consumer habits are bad and wasteful and have negative economic effects on the rest of the world, then I wouldn't have to argue with you, because you'd be some kind of commie freak.

j/k