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**Shadowstrike** · October 19, 2000, 22:36

Hydroponics
Hydroponics Facility (+1 food per square)

Cloning
Cloning Facility (Building Infantry Units do not reduce population), +1 happiness
All relationships with other nations suffer as you embrace cloning.

Genetic Modification
Increases food production in all cities by +10.
Has a random chance of starting riots in cities.

Protein/Gene Study
Genetic Laboratory: +100 research/turn if studying biotech advances.

Organic Waste Degradation
-25% pollution
Organic Waste Degardation Facility (Reduces pollution in city by 50%)

Nuclear Fusion
Fusion Missile: WMD, more powerful then A-Bomb.
Fusion Ractor (Increases production by 75%, traces of pollution)

Cold Fusion
Cold Fusion Reactor (Increase Production by 75%, small amounts of pollution)

Adv. Solar Power
Solar Arrays (Increase Prduction by 50%, no pollution)
Reduces Pollution produced by population.

Tidal Harnesses
Tidal Harnesses (Increase Production by 100%, expensive, underwater cities only)

Antimatter Implosion
Antimatter Implosion Facility (Increases Production by 200%, chance of accident, destroying large area...)

Controlled Singularity
Controlled Singularity (Wonder, Increases Production by 200% in every city, chance of accident, destroying entire solar system...)

Microfusion Generators
+10% production in all cities
Reduces Pollution by Population
+1 Free Advance

Quantum Computers
+10% Research
+1 Free Advance
Enhances Research Labs

Cybernetic Computer
+20% Research
Enhances Research Lab
+2 Unhappy Citizen/city

Biological Computer
+15% Research
+1 Unhappy Citizen
Enhances Research Lab

The Internet
The Internet (wonder, boosts trade in all cities)
Internet Connection (+25% Trade, +25% Research, +1 happy citizen)

Optical networks
Increases Internet Connection Effectiveness.
Enhances Research Lab.

Data Crystals
+25% Research
Adv Research Lab (Increses Science by 25%)
+1 Free Advance

Virtual Reality
Holosuites (+2 Happy Citizens or makes 3 unhappy content)

Artificial Intelligence
+15% Research
Automated Research Labs (+50% Science)

Cities in Space
Allows construction of cities in space.

Moon Bases
Allows construction of colonies on the Moon.

Planatery Colonies
Allows colonies on 5 nearby planets,

Asteroid Mining:
Like Capitalization, but quadruples output when ended for same amount of time spent.

Adv. Mining Techniques
+10% Production
Automated Mining Facility (+25% Production)

[This message has been edited by Shadowstrike (edited October 30, 2000).]

**DarkCloud** · November 4, 2000, 20:03

Nice list Shadowstrike...
I've updated mine and have added some of your ideas to it.

**Shadowstrike** · November 4, 2000, 20:35

Sorry about forgeting the list... I was caught up in work. Anyhow, I think I'll finish the list in a couple of days. I rushed the one that I did...

Still need to figure out prerequsites, and give some techs more abilities.

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**Dom Pedro II** · November 4, 2000, 23:48

Lots of good stuff. I can see a growth in that alot of the recent topics have had an influence on the techs and their functions. I have only one comment: Don't forget the Market System! I'm not going to make any suggestions because I would have to assume that you guys have accepted my commodities and system of trade, etc. so I'll just leave it up to you.

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Dom Pedro II - 2nd and last Emperor of the Empire of Brazil (1831 - 1889).

**Zer0_T0lerance** · November 7, 2000, 01:50

quote:

Originally posted by DarkCloud on 10-18-2000 08:56 PM
Computer
{SETI Program (WONDER)
{Same as original game}
[Mass Production, Minaturization]
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Computer Networks
{The Internet (WONDER)
{+25% Trade across civ, +5% Production}
[Computer, Electronics]

From Zero_Tolerance (formerly jrhughes98)

I don't think that the Internet should be a wonder. That is just totally unrealistic! I mean, come on! The Internet is made up of world wide interconnected networks; that's why they call it the Internet--because its multiple computer networks combined into a single system interconnected by hyperlinks. Making the Internet a wonder would make it look as if it is limited to only a single civ.

Instead, I believe the Internet should be a tech. Its prerequisites can be 'Networking' and 'Supercomputers,' for example. Supercomputers are needed to run some Internet servers and the Internet Backbone. I think that there should be 'Microcomputers' and 'Supercomputers' techs in addition to the 'Computers' tech because the first computers did not use transistors to temporarily hold bits of data; instead they used what is known as vaccuum tubes to move around bits of data. I think that 'Vaccuum Tubes' and 'Analog' could be prerequisites of 'Computers.' 'The Transistor,' 'Miniaturization,' 'Binary Code,' and 'Silicon,' could all be prerequisites of 'Microcomputers.' Microcomputers could be a prerequisite of 'Networking' and 'Supercomputers'; this is because supercomputers are built from microcomputer components and we obviously need microcomputers to set up computer networks.

I think that 'The Internet' should be an information (Information Age) academic science, simply because it was first used for personal homepages and to exchange information much faster than before, thus scientific information is exchanged more quickly. This tech should immediately boost your science rate by about 10% and grow over time because the Internet will grow and grow and grow and grow some more and keep on growing; it will eventually reach 100% which will effectively double your science rate--perhaps it should stop there because if it goes any higher I'm afraid it will affect gameplay too drastically. 'The Internet,' because it is the "Information Superhighway" should also launch the Information Age in Civ3. 'The Internet,' an information academic science, along with 'SSL Encryption,' a modern applied science, could lead to 'E-Commerce,' an information economic science. In addition, 'The Internet' can be also be a prerequisite of 'Advanced Telecommunications,' an information applied science. By advanced telecommunications I mean things like cellular phones, pagers, fax machines, broadbandwith, XML, ActiveX, Javascripting, etc., which take even further advantage of the Internet, further increasing your science rate!

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**JESSVG01** · November 7, 2000, 02:56

How about the wonder MSFT and CSCO dominate Nasdaq ... if you really want to get to the heart of the matter

**Zer0_T0lerance** · November 7, 2000, 04:54

quote:

Originally posted by JESSVG01 on 11-07-2000 01:56 AM
How about the wonder MSFT and CSCO dominate Nasdaq ... if you really want to get to the heart of the matter

LOL!!!

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Zero

**Ribannah** · November 7, 2000, 12:37

Here are a few that I've put in my Complete Tech Tree (first version almost ready now):

Paganism (-> Ceremonial Burial, The Calendar)

The Council (<- Agriculture, -> Code of Laws, Currency)

Canal building (<- Irrigation, Construction, -> The Mill, Sanitation)

Biology (<- Humanism, Arts, -> Ecology, Pyschology)

Liberalism (<- Human Rights, Romanticism, -> Socialism)

Logistics (<- Industrialization, Explosives, -> Algorithms, Radio)

Hydraulics (<- Refining, Steel, -> Automobile, Flight, Refrigeration)

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**wernazuma** · November 7, 2000, 19:32

quote:

Originally posted by Ribannah on 11-07-2000 11:37 AM

Liberalism (<- Human Rights, Romanticism, -> Socialism)

Romanticism wasn't really developed until the mid of 19th century whereas liberal ideas emerged during the "Enlightenment" (right vocabular? -Age of Reason?)

I would add Scientific Theory as already mentioned in other threads as prerequisite for all modern sciences.

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**DarkCloud** · November 7, 2000, 21:50

Yes, but Ribannah, what would your techs have in the way of Units, Wonders, Improvements, etc.

Zero_T--- The reason I believe that "The Internet" is better a wonder than a tech is it could be a 'different' wonder. The wonder would benefit all countries, but the builder country more than all as does the internet today, (sort of).

**Ribannah** · November 7, 2000, 21:56

quote:

Originally posted by wernazuma on 11-07-2000 06:32 PM
Romanticism wasn't really developed until the mid of 19th century whereas liberal ideas emerged during the "Enlightenment" (right vocabular? -Age of Reason?)

I would add Scientific Theory as already mentioned in other threads as prerequisite for all modern sciences.

I have Enlightenment as a prereq for Nationalism, which in turn leads to Romanticism - and also to Democracy, from which springs Human Rights. A lot happened in that time-frame.

The tree is open for pruning, however

Instead of Scientific Theory I have Mechanics
(->Atomic Theory, maybe more) and Empiricism (-> Theory of Gravity, Steam Engine, Algorithms).

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**Ribannah** · November 7, 2000, 22:06

quote:

Originally posted by DarkCloud on 11-07-2000 08:50 PM
Yes, but Ribannah, what would your techs have in the way of Units, Wonders, Improvements, etc.

A lot already, they are mentioned in the tree which I will publish shortly, details will follow later.

Some new units: Shaman, Ship of the Line, Sappers.

Some new wonders: Kinderdike Mills, Utopia, Grand Canal, Turing Machine. At the moment I have about 45.

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**wernazuma** · November 8, 2000, 07:05

quote:

Originally posted by Ribannah on 11-07-2000 08:56 PM
I have Enlightenment as a prereq for Nationalism, which in turn leads to Romanticism - and also to Democracy, from which springs Human Rights. A lot happened in that time-frame.

Well, at all I'm not sure whether Romanticism should be really considered an advance. I don't really think it was so vital for the developmet of liberal ideas... (in the german culture Romanticism was merely something conservative.
However I agree that IF it's included, Nationalism has to be a prereq. for Romanticism.
You're right that a lot happened in that time so I'm not sure if Romanticism really belongs to the most important ones.

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Master Mind of the World of Arendra

**DarkCloud** · November 8, 2000, 19:57

Oh a shaman, I had an idea of that sort a while back:
and Bush Warriors/ Indian Warfare tech.

But after thinking a while on it I determined that these were unneeded, the bush warriors are merely warriors, and Shamen are merely Phalanxes unless given magical power which Is stupid in a historical game/ or moral boost quality to make units become 'Veterans' etc.

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