How to avoid cultural flipping when taking over cities

[TacticalGrace]

Originally posted by fittstim

Actually, having a lot of troops in the city will make it MORE LIKELY to flip. I don't know if this is a bug, a built-in cheat or what but it has been proven over and over by various people on this forum (including myself).

If you stick a lot of nice, valuable troops in a freshly captured city and it flips, reload the game, capture the city but leave the troops outside. Violá! No flip. Weird but true.

NOT TRUE! NOT TRUE!

This has been brought up on the boards before and you've miss understood something fundamental.

Even under the worst circumstances, the odds of a flip are still low (though it doesn't seem that way when it happens to you), say 1 in 10 or 1 in 20. So it you reload and do ANYTHING you are more likely NOT to have a flip.

Moving troops into a city does decrease the chance of a flip.

[bongo]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace
Even under the worst circumstances, the odds of a flip are still low (though it doesn't seem that way when it happens to you), say 1 in 10 or 1 in 20. So it you reload and do ANYTHING you are more likely NOT to have a flip.

Moving troops into a city does decrease the chance of a flip.

Right on!

The two most important factors in a flip is foreign nationals and other civs culture overlapping a city's 21 tiles. There are other modifiers of which troops is the least significant.

Maximum change for a flip any given turn is 10%(which give a worst case of 65% change for a flip in 10 turns)

My strategy is as follows

1 Push back enemy borders.
2 Remove foreign nationals.

In that order. There's nothing wrong with doing both at a time.
Until I have reached #1 all I do is to make sure the city is not rioting. After #1 is accomplished I start to quell resistance, build temples, starve citizens ..

[SMIFFGIG]

Why does everyone hammer down Coracle, leave him too his opinion

Just cause he may find Civ3 a poor substandard game, doesnt mean to say the (majority) on this board have to bring him down for everything he says

HES RIGHT

[Traelin]

Originally posted by Coracle
Culture Flipping is absurd, unrealistic, and I will play no game with it. It happens far too randomly, and often ruins the game.

Check this thread to see how ridiculous it truly is:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...nally+Happened

Hrm I never have it happen to me (i.e., my cities never flip), so you must be doing nothing but warmongering and building no cultural improvements. And we all know what happened to RL Civs with no culture. *Poof*

[Traelin]

Originally posted by SMIFFGIG
Why does everyone hammer down Coracle, leave him too his opinion

Just cause he may find Civ3 a poor substandard game, doesnt mean to say the (majority) on this board have to bring him down for everything he says

HES RIGHT

We "hammer" him because it's the same record skipping over and over and over and over and over. Plus he obviously enjoys the game or he wouldn't keep posting the same thing. People who are truly frustrated will post once or twice and vent their anger, then leave.

[Fitz]

Here is my old thread on the culture flip fomula, based on part on the thread linked to earlier in this thread.

Basically, your options poil down to:

Garrison troops
Reduce foreign poputlation (starvation)
Reduce foreign squares in production radii (conquer nearby cities/build 10 pts culture)
Get more culture in that city than they had previosly (can be hard in old cities)
Get We Love the King Day (hard with resistors)
Get rid of resistors (side effect of Garrisoning troops anyway)
Change distance to enemy capitol (ie conquer old capitol)

Of these all, generally speaking garissoning troops is the fastest. However, DeepO offers some good analysis of the most effective means on the last page of the thread I linked.

What's this about a 10% max chance of flip? I've never seen anything about it. Is there a reference, or is it just hearsay?

[Theseus]

Coracle, you crack me up.

Are you still playing (with CF turned off, obviously)?

OT: I still say, if religious you gotta try Commie poprushing.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by SMIFFGIG
Why does everyone hammer down Coracle, leave him too his opinion

Just cause he may find Civ3 a poor substandard game, doesnt mean to say the (majority) on this board have to bring him down for everything he says

HES RIGHT

As was mentioned it is due to scores of post he has made saying the same thing over and over. He claims to not even have PTW and still chimes in on it.
I am not even sure he believes what he says and may post just to get a reaction. Many people have come on the board in the early days and made their points and left it at that and they were respected. After all of these months why would any one come here to repeat themselves?

[player1]

By the way, I am curious.

What exaclty Coracle doesn't like in Civ3 exept culture flipping, and Firaxis PR?

[ArmaGeddin]

Well, with the advent of PTW culture flipping can be turned off so his post is without any basis anyway. His point of not playing any game that allows culture flipping is mute. And thus his whole posts only point is to vent his frustration at not being able to beat the AI.

So he is pissed because he looses all the time and he is crying in the forum about a game feature that no longer effects his game.


Looooooooooooosssseeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrr!

[vmxa1]

I do not begrude anyone from not liking a game. My best friend liked every game I gave him, except Civ2. He did not care for it at all. I was shocked, but no way to change that opion, so it was forgotten.

[The Pioneer]

Originally posted by player1
By the way, I am curious.

What exaclty Coracle doesn't like in Civ3 exept culture flipping, and Firaxis PR?

You should flip your question and ask what he likes, you will probably get a much shorter and swifter response to that question!

By the we do not hammer on Coracle, it's he that plays like a badly scratched DVD where the scene gets stuck for eternity!

So long...

[Redstar]

I found culture flipping too darn annoying with the first release of civ 3.

But it hardly ever happens any more with the last few patches.

plus if you take over a city surrounded by the enemy..it is liable to flip within 3-4 turns (unlesss you speed up your culture improvements). To make real sure you just capture many cities on the same turn...then the chance goes down.

[TacticalGrace]

Originally posted by ArmaGeddin
Well, with the advent of PTW culture flipping can be turned off so his post is without any basis anyway. His point of not playing any game that allows culture flipping is mute.

by mute do you mean it is silent...???

do you mean that it is a moot point?

[Grumbold]

Don't bash Coracle for repeating his opinions. Everything said in the thread here is a repeat of what has been said before since this topic has been discussed so much. If you have to bash him do so for being off-topic.