Is it allowed to praise Firaxis?

[ChrisiusMaximus]

I agree with notyoueither if you dont like sticking your head down the toilet then dont do it any more.
It is totally impossible IMHO for any body to not find something good about Civ3.
It might not be the most groundbreaking game in the history of games but I dont think that was ever the intention.
What it has acheived is to stretch the boundaries of turn based genre with a mix of some of the best features from past titles and some good new and unique innovations.
Also I dont think I know of another game that prompts so much online debate as Civ1,2or3.
It is fair to say that there could be improvements made to the game,but equally you must agree that the game has and is being improved all the time,surely thats what we at these forums should be hoping and striving for.
If not if all you want to do is bad mouth and complain with no positive input then IMO you should go stick your head back down the toilet cause nobody really is interested.

[vmxa1]

How many games of about a year ago are still being played? How many have forums? I seem to recall at least one mag gave it game of the year.
I think it is fair for MarK to cap on a member whose sole purpose is to come on the board and be negative. If it was a new memebr that would be different. Coracle knows he will provoke responses and that is what he is about. Why would a rational person still be doing this at this point? I have lots of games that I was looking forward to and then found them lacking. I can not recall most of their names as I have better things to do and just get past it. Coming here gives him something or he would not do it. I just have no idea what that would be. maybe attention.

[SMIFFGIG]

Firaxis dont in my opinion deserve praise.

I feel ive given them to much as it is by paying for Civ3

[Blue Moose]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by MarkG

Free time does cost money. It's called opportunity cost, it is about what you could be doing in that time, how productive that time could be.

when you decide to spent your free time on games, there is no such thing as opportunity cost nor productivity

My friend Neil's take on your comment (he takes more econ than me):
No, it just means that you value playing the games more than the opportunity cost of whatever you're giving up.

[MarkG]

My friend Neil's take on your comment (he takes more econ than me):
No, it just means that you value playing the games more than the opportunity cost of whatever you're giving up.

for the grand majority of people, free time is what's left from their 9-5 work, sleep and other similar stuff. so free time doesnt mean giving up anything.....

[King_Xerces]

for the grand majority of people, free time is what's left from their 9-5 work, sleep and other similar stuff. so free time doesnt mean giving up anything.....

What about Coracle? By playing CIv 3, he wasted some pretty valuable lemonade selling time...

[Theseus]

There certainly is a "personal" opportunity cost.

I could wax rhetorical here... what do we have, if not time?? (uugghh)

Give me a break; people are faced with similar decisions every day: How was that phone call? How was your breakfast? Did you like the Sopranos? Did you pay good money to see Jar Jar Binks?

If you don't like something (where there is volition and choice), don;t do it. If you are passionate about the lack, protest.

Coracle does, and it's his right. And he chooses to invest his personal opportunity cost to do so... also his right.

That said, there comes a point where the protest becomes labored. The reward for Coracle's potential payback from the investment of his personal opportunity cost starts to turn to less than he would like... so he don;t come around here much anymore. Every once in a while, I guess just for the satisfaction (a type of reward), the effort is worthwhile.

Fine. Too bad though... I maintain that Coracle, jt, Lib, etc., have more to offer.

[asleepathewheel]

Re: Re: Is it allowed to praise Firaxis?

Originally posted by Coracle
It doesn't matter any more what you say here. The only people left on the forums are those who like the game.

Is this what I think it is? An admission that Coracle likes the game?

Originally posted by Coracle
this was NOT a successor to Civ 2 - it was a ripoff being so very flawed, beta, and entirely different in basic concepts from Civ 2.

Huh? entirely different in basic concepts from Civ2? What a shocker. did you just want Civ2 with better graphics? I see why you're disappointed then.

Originally posted by Coracle
With tax, the Strategy Guide and game cost me about $68. I wasted hundreds of dollars worth of time dealing with the bugs and flaws in the game.

I'm amazed that someone that "wasted hundreds of dollars worth of time" would not cut their losses. Why waste more time by posting on a fansite?

Originally posted by Coracle
Oh yes, the point, lost on you, is that Jimmytrick, Zykla, Libertarian, and many others, did not just have opinions.

Why is it that critics state facts but fanboys state opinions?

[Tiberius]

Why does anyone bother to answer Coracle?

If he doesn't like civ3, fine. He is wellcomed to post his ideas as long as he comes with constructive criticism and not just "civ3 id flawed", "CF sucks", "firaxis sucks" type of whinings. He must be masochist or something, that he keeps coming back fighting with the "fanboys", when it is so obvious what kind of replies he is going to get.

I tried to play couple of weeks ago civ2. Why? Nostalgy, man, nostalgy. "The good old days"
And you know what? I couldn't play it more then half an hour. Half an hour!! A game that once I played all night long! The game went fine, I was winning, but then I gave up. It was so inferior to civ3.

Coracle, don't forget, Sid Meier did create "Civilization". So maybe this time, this one single ocasion, you could have come here and say "Thank you , Mr. Meier". I don't like Civ3, but thank you for the series you created".

Thank you Mr. Meier. Thank you Firaxis.

PS I'll be damned. My post turned out to be an answer to Coracle, in exact opposition with what I've said in the beginning There's no surprise in that, after all. When he says "civ3 sucks" it's like saying to me "hey, you idiot, you are still playing that stupid game ?" Of course I feel insulted and defend my "hobby"

[georges bonbon]

Originally posted by vondrack
Well, everybody knows I am a hard fanboy anyway, so it will do me no harm to drop a few words of praise...

Reselling computer games in our retail outlet, I have tried maybe hundreds of games of all genres. 99% of them got uninstalled within the first week. Civ3 has been staying on my HDD from the very beginning and is unlikely to ever get uninstalled. Simply put, I have no other game with the same level of replayability.

Civ3 is definitely not a perfect game... I can think of myriads of improvements, ranging from subtle to vital. But the game at its current state is a very fine one.

Thank you, Soren, Dan, Mike, and everybody else at Firaxis. You have my undying respect for what you created and for what you keep improving.

That's what I mean.

[georges bonbon]

It seems I started something which is becoming very personal and very emotional.

My motivation to start this post was to encourage the team at Firaxis and to say a simple word of praise, nothing more, nothing less.

That is the real purpose of this post.

[Zachriel]

Re: Re: Re: Is it allowed to praise Firaxis?

Originally posted by asleepathewheel

Is this what I think it is? An admission that Coracle likes the game?

Coracle has gotten his money's worth out of Civ3 just for the shear amount of enjoyment he's gotten posting about it.

In any case, Civ has always made the imagination work overtime. Everyone has an idea of how to make the game better, whether it is Marine Armies, or a better Governor or Special Ops Infantry. The imagination never quits, and that is the beauty of the game. Some people confuse this imaginative stimulation with the "game isn't as good as it could be" syndrome. That's all.

[SMIFFGIG]

Some people confuse this imaginative stimulation with the "game isn't as good as it could be" syndrome. That's all.

Sorry i do not agree with this statement at all, you can have an amazing game which you can imagine new things for, but it is still without a doubt a good game. Also have a crap game and imagine new things and stuff that it could have and its still a crap game.



ANYWAY on to the point of this post
No matter how you percieve Coracle's post, he is undoubtedly right i what he says.
The fact that it is only ppl who like the game that still hang around here
(god knows why, as I can see shortly after PTW comes out the community drastically dieing due to lack of support from the makers and OBSURD lack of moddibility over a year or so)
Im just wondering why coracle is still around here (not having ago), I left these forums ages ago after being tottaly disappointed by the piece of software in which I had followed far before its release (civ3 of course)
Anyway I just thought i would stick my head in here again before I go back to the Call to Power 2 forums

[Cyclotron]

It's always been fine to praise Firaxis. In fact, it's usually fine to post any opinion you want here. I for one have both praised and criticized the game. I have been labeled a lot of things here... but none of them discourage me from posting my opinion. They shouldn't discourage you, either.

[WarpStorm]

Lack of support from the makers? I can't think of a game company that does more to support it's customers (the only one that even comes to mind is Blizzard). They put out patches for all of their games (even old ones like Gettysburg and SMAC).

You have the nerve to say that in the same paragraph as CTP. Doh! I get jokes.