Is it allowed to praise Firaxis?

[Wormwood]

Originally posted by sun_tzu_159

I have CIVII for Playstation and for PC. The Playstation version is way better than the original PC game.

Thanks for answering
Sun_Tzu

You have got to be kidding. I bought CivII on PSX when I was without computer for a while, and it was horrible. NO keyboard shortcuts, no scenarios, one world map. In what way was it better?!

[zulu9812]

Originally posted by Nikolai
Just wait, and buy PTW.

PTW? That won't have the scenario editor. No events + no forced diplomacy = no scenarios. Ok?

[Nikolai]

OK, if you define a scenario like that. But in Civ2, we didn't have any events, did we?

[Coracle]

Re: Is it allowed to praise Firaxis?

Originally posted by georges bonbon
As a regular reader of all this forums, I read a lot of suggestions, possible ameliorations, etc... A lot of good work.

What bothers me the most is the complaints and the endless nagging.

Very rarely I find a word of praise for the developpers.

So, thank you guys at Firaxis for giving me and other silent people hours of pleasure at a cheap price.

Just thank you.

It doesn't matter any more what you say here. The only people left on the forums are those who like the game.

Those very many who think it flawed, boring, tedious, unrealistic, nonhistoric, and generally A MAJOR LET DOWN compared to what we expected would be a follow up to Civ 2, are long gone from here.

So right now all you are doing is preaching to the choir.

I had a great deal of company in finding Civ 3 to be one of the biggest disappointments ever in the gaming world, and the huge number of posts from scores of different posters over the past year demonstrate that.

But "a cheap price"?? FIFTY DOLLARS for a buggy beta game last Thanksgiving, a game that needed four patches to even be playable, was not "cheap" - it was a rip off.

[Coracle]

Re: Re: Is it allowed to praise Firaxis?

Originally posted by Tuberski


Well now that Coracle doesn't seem to be here anymore, and jimmytrick stays away from this forum, it is okay to say thank you...

Oh, I'm here monitoring things. Jimmytrick joins Libertarian, Zykla, and many many others in no longer wasting his time playing a game that is unacceptable in many ways.

I have to BUY PTW to turn off that Culture Flipping crap?? No thanks. And I won't play it with CF. The only reason it hasn't been removed from my PC is I want to see if any one can come up with a decent scenario considering the editor limitations.

We've detailed over many months the problems with Civ 3. Those of you who don't care, good for you. But this was NOT a successor to Civ 2 - it was a ripoff being so very flawed, beta, and entirely different in basic concepts from Civ 2.

I never would have said a word in criticism of this game if it was not called "Civ 3". But it was, and I consider that fraud.

Firaxis, you know my opinion of you.

[MarkG]

Oh, I'm here monitoring things.

oh well. i guess its easier than responding...

Jimmytrick joins Libertarian, Zykla, and many many others in no longer wasting his time playing a game that is unacceptable in many ways.

if that's their opinion, good for them!

I never would have said a word in criticism of this game if it was not called "Civ 3". But it was, and I consider that fraud.

if we all put a coupld of $ and gather $40 for you, will you be ok?

[Coracle]

Originally posted by MarkG

Oh, I'm here monitoring things.

oh well. i guess its easier than responding...

Jimmytrick joins Libertarian, Zykla, and many many others in no longer wasting his time playing a game that is unacceptable in many ways.

if that's their opinion, good for them!

I never would have said a word in criticism of this game if it was not called "Civ 3". But it was, and I consider that fraud.

if we all put a coupld of $ and gather $40 for you, will you be ok?

Can't resist the cheap demeaning sarcasm, can you? I guess now that so many forumer opinions are joining me against Firaxis it is your last resort.

With tax, the Strategy Guide and game cost me about $68. I wasted hundreds of dollars worth of time dealing with the bugs and flaws in the game. But I'll settle for a free PTW - under $40. Pass the request to Mr. Briggs.

I now know - we ALL know - Firaxis will never get it right as too much is hard-coded.

Oh yes, the point, lost on you, is that Jimmytrick, Zykla, Libertarian, and many others, did not just have opinions. They were part of a large group that saw the real flaws in the game and have long left the forum. But even those who remained, like Zulu, for quite some time big fans of Civ 3, are disappointed and losing faith.

That is the sad reality. I take no pleasure in this. As I said, I waited over five years for Civ 3, and feel nought but sadness that it is so flawed.

Now feel free to continue your sarcasm. . .

[MarkG]

I guess now that so many forumer opinions are joining me against Firaxis it is your last resort.

thanks! now i'll go to bed laughing...

I wasted hundreds of dollars worth of time dealing with the bugs and flaws in the game.

your free time doesnt cost anything

you didnt buy an office application. you bought a game.....

Jimmytrick, Zykla, Libertarian, and many others, did not just have opinions. They were part of a large group that saw the real flaws in the game

where's the difference? their opinion was that the game had flaws.....

[vmxa1]

civ3 is far superior to Civ2. I took Civ2 off my drive after a month of Civ3, why go back? Civ2 was fun and I have nothing bad to say about it, excpet is was too easy to hold a city. Civ2 was great for its time and that time has passed, sorry you felt cheated.

[King_Xerces]

yo, coracle

you know what a miser is?

well, your posts remind me of ****ty old miser. I'm not saying you're any of those things, but just that your an idiot for not flushing the God Damn thing down the toilet!!

As some other guy said, "if you eat breath and sleep it 6 months prior to it's release, than it's probably not going to live up to your expectations."

I wasted 40 bucks on zoo tycoon, as well as plenty of lemonade selling time ( ). But I'm still glad I got zoo tycoon because then I never would've known for myself what the game was really like. Honestly, it sucked, it really did. But I went out, found other games, and didn't waste any more time complaining. BTW, I'm 16, and don't have a Job. 40 bucks is probably alot more to me than it is to you. And if it isn't, than maybe you should go find some more cars to wash down...


Man, your just beating a dead horse. That's pure stupidity.


If you want an easier game, something that suits you intelligence level, I recommend zoo tycoon, or roller coaster tycoon, or mall tycoon. Anything with "tycoon" in it.

[King_Xerces]

A few more thing I forgot to mention:

Coracle,

don't you like civ 3 just a little? I mean seriously, if you didn't hate firaxis, the ai, and culture flipping so much..........
than wouldn't clicking on that naughty little icon be a little tempting?? Would you be able to resist?

I think they programed it alright. I'm not really enthused by AI cheat strategies, but overall, it balances out. Human's can reason through intuition, while the AI can reason through "cheating"/computer intuition, makes sense enough to me.

[Theseus]

Hey Coracle.

I'm a little confused at this point... what are your major problems with the game?

I know you must think I'm a total fanboy, but I'm critical where appropriate. Whereas I can live with the little annoying crap, I do agree with zulu that no events and no forced diplomacy are unacceptable for scenarios.

But what's so wrong otherwise?

Yeah, the release cycle sucked... but at least they stuck with it, and have delivered. I've said this before, but I think this is the new paradigm; you may not like it, but it's here to stay. At least the Firaxis guys have stuck around...

It bums me out that you, and jt, Lib, etc., haven;t stuck around, 'cause you all really "get it," and have much to contribute.

Have you really not played at all post-1.29?

[Blue Moose]

Originally posted by MarkG

I wasted hundreds of dollars worth of time dealing with the bugs and flaws in the game.

your free time doesnt cost anything

you didnt buy an office application. you bought a game.....

Jimmytrick, Zykla, Libertarian, and many others, did not just have opinions. They were part of a large group that saw the real flaws in the game

where's the difference? their opinion was that the game had flaws.....

Free time does cost money. It's called opportunity cost, it is about what you could be doing in that time, how productive that time could be. As for your other comment to Coracle, I think he objected to the fact that you seem to be using "opinion" in a demeaning way, to brush aside a reasonable position and view on the game. It rather shocks me that an Apolyton administrator would be so acidic to a forum member, it would seem that a higher level of calm and impartiality would be more desired. That's just my opinion though.

[MarkG]

Free time does cost money. It's called opportunity cost, it is about what you could be doing in that time, how productive that time could be.

when you decide to spent your free time on games, there is no such thing as opportunity cost nor productivity

I think he objected to the fact that you seem to be using "opinion" in a demeaning way, to brush aside a reasonable position and view on the game.

when there are people who say "i love feature X" and other people who say "i hate feature X", then i call these statements as "opinions"

it would seem that a higher level of calm and impartiality would be more desired

there has been tons of tolerance from my side to attitudes like coracle's

[notyoueither]

Re: Re: Is it allowed to praise Firaxis?

Originally posted by Coracle
I had a great deal of company in finding Civ 3 to be one of the biggest disappointments ever in the gaming world, and the huge number of posts from scores of different posters over the past year demonstrate that.

Biggest disappointments ever in the gaming world? What colour is the sky on your planet?

I'm here baby. Come see me when you have something new to say.