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  • #31
    Originally posted by WarpStorm
    The risk of global warming is proportional to the little triangles in the cities of the world and the number of nukes dropped.
    Well that's pretty annoying, since I can't control whether or not the AI uses nukes. Yet another reason why we MUST have a beefed-up AI. It (the AI) is simply too willing to use nukes.

    EDIT: What I mean is a beefed-up UN, not AI.

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    • #32
      Well, out goes my global pollution police. That'll save me fifty units a game. Still, at least I had good intentions. It's funny, what I was really doing was help other civs maintain productive, polluting cities with no national/global benefits smiles sheepishly.
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      • #33
        So, then, even a beefed up UN or a new diplomatic agreement wouldn't work, because the only way to lower global warming would be to ask an AI to sell of some of it's factories, or reduce the population in it's larger cities, and there's not a chance in hell it will do that. "Say Bismark, this global warming thing is getting out of hand, could you kill off a few million of your citizens?" The option of a moratorium on use of nuclear weapons is an option, I suppose.
        Rhett Monroe Chassereau

        "I use to be with it, then they changed what it is. And what I'm with isn't it, and what is it seems strange and scary to me." -Abe Simpson

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Wormwood
          The option of a moratorium on use of nuclear weapons is an option, I suppose.
          Actually that's exactly what I meant Wormwood, I just didn't explain myself very well. A global "anti-nuke" treaty would be awesome, and I guarantee would help the global warming issue. The AI is just too darn willing ATM to use nukes.

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          • #35
            And how would you enforce it?
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Traelin


              Actually that's exactly what I meant Wormwood, I just didn't explain myself very well. A global "anti-nuke" treaty would be awesome, and I guarantee would help the global warming issue. The AI is just too darn willing ATM to use nukes.
              Yeah, I would end up being the rogue state stockpiling nukes and expelling weapons inspectors until I can unleash hell on earth
              Wadsworth: Professor Plum, you were once a professor of psychiatry specializing in helping paranoid and homicidal lunatics suffering from delusions of grandeur.
              Professor Plum: Yes, but now I work for the United Nations.
              Wadsworth: Well your work has not changed.

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              • #37
                Disable the Mannhatten Project, would that not stop any nukes?

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                • #38
                  Perhaps more of a MAD (mutually assured destruction) pattern is the answer, making the AI not using it's nukes for fear of retribution by your own or other nation's nukes. The problem is, how concerned could you be if the AI decided to nuke a third party? Perhaps the solution to that is to rework how the nukes work. They can be launched on your turn, but don't impact until sometime between your turn and the AI's. That way, when an AI launches theres, you can get a message "So-and-So has launched nuclear missiles!" Since you can't be sure who they were launched against, you retaliate by firing off all of your own, thus assuring MAD.
                  Rhett Monroe Chassereau

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Wormwood
                    The problem is, how concerned could you be if the AI decided to nuke a third party? Perhaps the solution to that is to rework how the nukes work.
                    The United States, during the Cold War with the former USSR, extended its "Nuclear Umbrella" to its allies here in the Western Hemisphere as well as those in Europe, all of whom could be considered "third parties" in the Civ3 context of this scenario.

                    Perhaps another treaty-type, named Nuclear-Umbrella or whatever, could be considered. (Note: Nuclear-Umbrella IS NOT the same as SDI. NU=Retaliation for an action taken; SDI=Prevention of action/intended action.)
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by DRoseDARs


                      The United States, during the Cold War with the former USSR, extended its "Nuclear Umbrella" to its allies here in the Western Hemisphere as well as those in Europe, all of whom could be considered "third parties" in the Civ3 context of this scenario.
                      NU seems redundant, as anyone who you would not want nuked, you would also not want attacked in any way, so you might as well sign an MPP (assuming that you're chummy enough with them to care about what happens to them).
                      Rhett Monroe Chassereau

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                      • #41
                        Consider it this way: The Nuclear Umbrella Pact would cover ONLY the use of nuclear weapons, while the MPP would continue to cover all weapons. Considering the hideous nature of nuclear weapons, you could care less about what other countries do to each other with their conventional weapons, but nuclear weapons adversely effect ALL civilizations (I'm still not clear about the effects of nuclear weapons on global warming ingame, perhaps Civs get mad just because they're told to do so...no other reason). Kind of like in SMAC where, once you had contact with all of the other factions, you could vote to affect either global warming or global cooling...or in CPT you and a rival could cease hostilities long enough to reduce pollution "to a non-threatening level."
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                        • #42
                          OK, you've convinced me
                          Rhett Monroe Chassereau

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Wormwood
                            OK, you've convinced me
                            Ah, another convert to the Church of DRoseDARs of Yester Day Freaks.

                            My plans for a Cultural Victory proceedeth forward...

                            Excellent...
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                            • #44
                              Back on pollution/global warming. If possible, I try to be the first to Ecology/Recycling. The Ai's will pay big bucks for 'em. I never bothered to follow up tho. Do they actually then build the improvements, and are they factored in? If so, would bumping those improvements up the priority list help?

                              ... I've just noticed that my posts seems to have a lot of question at once. Anyone know why? Can this be explained? Can Someone PLEASE help me? AARGH!! Questions everywhere I look! Stop the madness!!!!

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                              • #45
                                hehe, in my current game i'm planning on nuking so much that i end up with a desert planet! arrr, good ol Kharak!
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