Fleets!

[W.I.N.T.E.R]

Usually fleets are there to project power and possibility for invsion forces to hit enemy shores- as such the AI is not very convincing- with 8 units max per ship it doesnt really bother anyone much in the latter stages of the game anymore since the AI does not launch combined naval attack yet is limited to coastal bombardment.

With significantly larger troop carrying capacity per ship this may well change!!

Still the AI protecs his cargo ship with merely one (1) escort ship- this is a major fault- why aimlessly roam an empty ocean when U could gather a fleet and go from A to B- well protected and with an invasion army on board ??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fleets should be available as escorting units with larger transport capacities available late in the game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Traelin]

Agreed, I'm actually surprised Fleets weren't included in the original build of Civ3. When I read that Armies would be implemented, I pretty much assumed Fleets would be, too. I imagine the reason they didn't was for a couple reasons, including the following:

1. Even though it would be easy to do, they didn't have the time.

2. Researching and naming naval leaders for each Civ would be a pain to do, especially since some of the Civs really don't have any noteworthy Admirals. The first example that comes to mind to me is the (soon to come) Mongols, who certainly weren't known for armadas.

Still, I think Fleets are a necessity for one of the XPs, IMHO.

[Fighter]

THe idea of fleet leader names is puzzling, all I can thing of off hand would be (obviously) Nelson, Ferguson, Doenitz and Yamamoto, so thats one for 4 different countries and it took me about 2 minutes, although they were all very obvious choices.

I cant wait for PTW...

[TheStinger]

If you have armies you should have fleets.

Naval commanders have been as decisive as land commnders in many wars, and civ should reflect this.

[trevor]

How about instead of "sea leaders" you just bulid a Naval Academy or something that appears with magnetism?

[Galvatron]

Originally posted by Fighter
THe idea of fleet leader names is puzzling, all I can thing of off hand would be (obviously) Nelson, Ferguson, Doenitz and Yamamoto, so thats one for 4 different countries and it took me about 2 minutes, although they were all very obvious choices.

I cant wait for PTW...

De Villeneuve, Tegetthoff, John Paul Jones, La Fayette, Riccardi, Wilhelm Canaris (very very famous), Dr. Erich Raeder, Piet Hayn

Want some more ?

[campmajor!]

You mean of course Piet Hein.

[jshelr]

This thread may be part of an answer to an earlier thread about the impossibility of dominant civs losing. What's required, as noted above, is an expanded concept of "blockade" for the modern eras. Ships were never really used to blow up roads!! On the other hand, if navel power were more significantly able to impact trade flows and to isolate a dominant power on their own continent, it could change the balance significantly late in the game. For example, a successful interdiction of trade flows could increase unhappiness enough to force the dominant power down from democracy, making an SS build by smaller civs a real risk. Or, if the dominant power trades for any critical resource, cutting that trade flow could render them vulnerable or block the completion of the SS. This looks like a real potential improvement area. In either case, the domnant power would have to leave the safety of their RR system and come out to fight on the ocean, perhaps against an alliance of several smaller civs. Interesting.

[Galvatron]

Originally posted by campmajor!
You mean of course Piet Hein.

Actually I've read many documentation’s about him (a very interesting and fascinating man) and in one I saw spelled him with "ei" and in one with "ai" and in another one with "ay". So it looks like even historians aren't really sure about it. But I take it from a countryman from him how to spell it. I read somewhere that he is a kind of national hero in the Netherlands is this true? Are there special museums or streets named after him? Well according to his accomplishments it would be understandable.

[stonewall]

Originally posted by jshelr
.....On the other hand, if navel power were more significantly able to impact trade flows and to isolate a dominant power on their own continent, it could change the balance significantly late in the game. ......

You CAN use naval forces to interrupt trade. -- all you have to do is blockade each city that has a harbor and all ocean trade will be cut off. Or, if a critical resource is being supplied by, say, France to Egypt, and you are at war with Egypt, you could blockade all French ports to prevent the resource from being traded.

Now, that said, has anyone ever used naval blockades or seen the AI try to use them? I never have.

[Dida]

Naval blockade is bull**** in this game. You have to completely cover very sea tile in that citie's radius with your warships to block it. If the AI has 10 cities with harbor, then,chances are, you will have a heck of time trying to block them all. And the AI only need 1 turn of relief to continue building advance units throughout his empire.
My idea of blockade is, the presence of 1 single hostile warship for 2 consecutive turns will block the city from trading.
So, if your enemy sails one of his ships into your water, you need to destroy it or ask it to leave right away, else that city is blocked.

[Dida]

blocking another nation's trade port is course, an act of war.

[Wormwood]

Originally posted by stonewall



Now, that said, has anyone ever used naval blockades or seen the AI try to use them? I never have.

On the rare occasions when a civ's only connection to the outside world is through one or two harbors, then I have been able to manage a succesful blockade. The Civs tend to build ships and artillery in that city, taking potshots at your ships while virtually impervious, so it does get obnoxious after a while. Generally, though, any Civ so powerful that I would devote 10-20 ships to naval blockade a resource has also managed to build harbors in every coastal city.

[Fighter]

My solution to the blockade problem is to simply make warships cover the squares imediately around them for the purposes of blockade, in this way it will only take 1-ships to blockade a city. Not a perfect fix, but I think its workable.

[campmajor!]

Originally posted by Galvatron


Actually I've read many documentation’s about him (a very interesting and fascinating man) and in one I saw spelled him with "ei" and in one with "ai" and in another one with "ay". So it looks like even historians aren't really sure about it. But I take it from a countryman from him how to spell it. I read somewhere that he is a kind of national hero in the Netherlands is this true? Are there special museums or streets named after him? Well according to his accomplishments it would be understandable.

Yes, in fact he is a local hero! He once made a victory on the Spanish Silver fleet. We still sing songs about that when playing soccer/football.