Which leaders you'd change

[Darkworld Ark]

As I see it, there needs to be a certain middle-ground in the Leaders between historical significance & notariety.

My personal changes;

America - Either George Washington or Theadore Roosevelt
France - Napoleon
Egypt - Ramses II
Russia - Stalin, Lenin, or Ivan the Terrible.
China - Some ancient Chinese leader

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Darkworld Ark
America - Either George Washington or Theadore Roosevelt
France - Napoleon
Russia - Stalin, Lenin

Here, here!

Either Georgie, Teddy or FDR for the US.

[Bonne1978]

Change Cleopatra for Ramses II

[Palleon]

I personally like Richard Nixon myself. But that seems to be a minority sentiment.

[N. Machiavelli]

The minority, yes. But not alone in regards to Richard Nixon. He was a hell of a statesman, most people forget. But Nixon's greatest accomplishments occured outside of the office of Presidency, like George Bush Sr. and John Q. Adams.

[Palleon]

As my foreign politics teacher once said, Richard Nixon was a horrible domestic president, but our best foreign relations man. Teddy Rosevelt (sp) was our best domestic statesman, but our worst foreign diplomat. But Nixon did a LOT for the US, started relations up with China and the USSR again, if not for Watergate, I still think he'd be in our list of 5 best presidents.

[N. Machiavelli]

I concur with that. Nixon is akin to Bush Sr. in a lot of ways. Both were excellent diplomats and had a long and great history in politics. Then the presidency hit them and, well, we know how that turned out.

Back on topic. While Teddy Roosevelt is my personal favorite American President, I would agree that he is probably not the best choice for leader in Civ3. The common consensus lies between retaining Lincoln or removing him in favor of Washington. Now, Washington was a decent general, and his restraint in handling his power afterward as very admirable (very Cincinnatus of him), but I do not believe that he is the best choice of ‘greatest leader’ of the United States. I strongly support Lincoln or Ben Franklin. Franklin, after all, was also a talented statesman, internationalist, founding father, and truly the first American President.

[Jon Shafer]

Another good President that you can't overlook is FDR. 4 terms in office is twice as many as any other President. He did a lot to try and get the US out of the Great Depression, and also did a lot during the war before his death. He's had a great impact upon America, and is probably one of the most influential Presidents of the 20th century.

[Palleon]

I have to say FDR would be a good choice too. Franklin would be ok, but he was never a president, although that doesn't seem to be a prerequisete. I'd like to see Churchill take Elizabeths spot in England though.

[N. Machiavelli]

One cannot dismiss FDR or his accomplishments. But I feel that he as more of the "right man at the right time". A personality and policy such as his was needed and thus able to thrive in the conditions of the 1930's. Hitler was the same way. Note: I am not associating Hitler's policies or methods in any way with FDR's, merely making a point of how the 'right' man in the sort of environment and times they were in can thrive where they would not normally.

I have great respect for FDR, but I still think that Lincoln is the best man for the Civ3 leader job.

[N. Machiavelli]

Palleon: Franklin was president under the Articles of Confederation, which was the intermediant government between the ending of the Revolutionary war and the 2nd Constitutional Convention wherein America's government as we know it was borne. So yes, Franklin was technically the first president of the United States, but only for about 4 years or so and really didn't have any actual power.

[Palleon]

What I'd like to see is have Firaxis make 2-3 leader heads for each civ, and let the players decide which to use in their games. Make a Washington, FDR, and Lincoln, and let the player decide who they want to see. Players can do it I know, but hey, theres not too many pictures of Washington laying around for us to use, I wouldn't imagine it would take too much space or effort to make anouther 16 heads or so. Just throw em in with PTW.

[N. Machiavelli]

Sounds likea cool idea, but unfortunatly I think we'll see wonder movies sooner

[Destroyer]

Why not then have one good and ine evil leader from each civ, ie:

English
Good: Liz 1st
Bad: John Major

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Palleon
What I'd like to see is have Firaxis make 2-3 leader heads for each civ, and let the players decide which to use in their games. Make a Washington, FDR, and Lincoln, and let the player decide who they want to see. Players can do it I know, but hey, theres not too many pictures of Washington laying around for us to use, I wouldn't imagine it would take too much space or effort to make anouther 16 heads or so. Just throw em in with PTW.

nice idea, but i think i'd prefer a lot of other things in the game BEFORE a 2nd or 3rd leader not really worth the money, because it's the gameplay that's important, not so much the graphics. don't forget that creating leaderheads means creating 3D-meshes of them, rendering them from different angles and making them smile or froun, etc. in the same time they could remove some hardcoding, add some functions, make a real scenario editor and so on

back on-topic: wouldn't you guys miss lincolns beard and hat?
- after all, that's one of america's emblems
- gene roddenberry would have chosen abe too, as he considered lincoln as a "good" person
- there's no car brand called "roosevelt"