culture flipping-stupid, but right idea

[johncmcleod]

Firaxis had the right idea about culture flipping-people joing your civ because of a dominating culture-and this happens in real life. It's called emmigration. For example, tons of Mexicans want to join the US, and the immigrate to the US, but Mexican towns don't all of the sudden say "We're now an American town now" And then have the border change. When a city of one civ has a dominating culture of another city maybe the population of the culturally challenged city should drop and the city with vibrant culture should go up as many citizens as the other city went down. In real life, people leave to go to another country, but I haven't heard of a time (I'm sure there has been a few times throughout history) where a town just says they're part of another nation and the borders move. I'm sorry if someone has already posted something of the same nature.
John

[Venger]

I would indeed rather see a population swap - down a point here, up a point there. Culture flipping, as has been aruged many times, is pretty asinine.

Additionally, how they tie it to their borders is a little weak too...

Venger

[Jon Shafer]

You just had to invite Coracle to another thread to whine, didn't you?

[MOHonor]

Originally posted by Trip
You just had to invite Coracle to another thread to whine, didn't you?

HAW! Coracle java-script bot locking on!

[Iskandar Reza]

Kind of true, if a they're discontent, they usually break apart to form an autonomous state of their own in the real world, not join the more powerfull neighbour.

[Boris Godunov]

I think the idea was that they wanted to show how a civilization's culture can be so strong as to have a great influence on all the surrounding areas. Perhaps it would have been better to have your strong culture first influence neighboring cities by sparking discontent and riots, rather than outright and sudden revolt. Then, if the other civ doesn't manage the discontent for a certain number of turns, the city will flip. That would give the player, at least, a chance to quell the revolts before one of his cities goes.

[phoenixcager]

Even if it isn't too much like real life, I think culture flipping does add a nice touch to the game. But I agree that there should be some kind of warning before it happens.

[Palleon]

Here's how I'd like to see culture flipping done. As said before, theres more likely to be immigration to your cities, rather than you gain a city. I think the more realistic scenario would be for X amount of settlers to be created next to the city that would "flip", and could then create a new city for the culturaly powerful civ, or join that civs cities, up to the player. Of course, the civ who is having people leave could always kill those settlers before they crossed the border. Which is anouther reason we need a better UN, maybe they could vote on immigration limits, where a country is only able to accept Y amount of immigrants, and after that, any more that are created could be killed by the other civ without diplomatic penalty. Whadda think?

[heidlejohn]

The unhappy citizen should appear OUTSIDE his original cultural border, not inside. The 'losing culture' should have no chance to kill him.

My suggestion would be a new unit, a colonist, who could either start a colony or join a city but who could not be used as a worker.

Also there should be a new wonder, the Statue of Liberty, which would increase the chances of cultural moves such as these. We need to first, however, change the idiotic culture flipping without prior info.

Then look at a new wonder available with motorized transport to simulate the massive immigration into the US starting in the 1880s.

[Venger]

Originally posted by heidlejohn
The unhappy citizen should appear OUTSIDE his original cultural border, not inside. The 'losing culture' should have no chance to kill him.

Agreed.

My suggestion would be a new unit, a colonist, who could either start a colony or join a city but who could not be used as a worker.

Interesting, should he be able to start a new city? I'd say - yes. If so, might as well make him a settler.

Also there should be a new wonder, the Statue of Liberty, which would increase the chances of cultural moves such as these. We need to first, however, change the idiotic culture flipping without prior info.

Outstanding idea.

Then look at a new wonder available with motorized transport to simulate the massive immigration into the US starting in the 1880s.

Bwoop bwoop (overdo alert) (overdo alert)!

Let's not go crazy here...I'm right there with you except for the last paragraph...

Venger

[Iskandar Reza]

Originally posted by heidlejohn
Then look at a new wonder available with motorized transport to simulate the massive immigration into the US starting in the 1880s.

That would cause a too many mass migrations that it would unbalance the game.

[Coracle]

Originally posted by Trip
You just had to invite Coracle to another thread to whine, didn't you?

Hey fanboy, better get your priorities straightened out. Worry about the utter nonsense that Culture Flipping is historically, and the braindead way it is implemented in the game, instead of cheerleading for Firaxis.

[Coracle]

As for the topic of this thread. . .

Hordes of immigrants, legal and illegal, are flooding America because America and their country of origin PERMIT it (unfortunately), AND because the U.S. is WHERE THE MONEY IS - not where the "culture" is.

Cities and borders do NOT "flip", nor has anyone "razed" a city totally since Carthage over two thousand years ago.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Coracle
Better get your priorities straightened out. Worry about the utter nonsense that Culture Flipping is historically, and the braindead way it is implemented in the game.

Is it historical? No. Do I like it? No. Can things be changed to better reflect history and be more accurate? Yes. Will they change it? No. Will your whining change it? No. Will your whining in every topic about it cause me the loss of more brain cells? Yes.

[Coracle]

Then CHANGE it Firaxis!

Just fix it.