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Originally posted by cyclotron7
you're a lucky b******, Uber... 
What was your total culture compared to theirs?
you're a lucky b******, Uber... What was your total culture compared to theirs?
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i dont know, thats an old game (possibly with 1.17) that i dont have anymore :-/"I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
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Now that I mention it, they neglected an important part of culture. It's not just about buildings and infrastructure, it's about the people living in a community as well. We all live our lives according to what our cultures consider to be norms. Even without Temples, Libraries etc., our values are reinforced with everyone we meet or associate with. And the larger the city, the more people there are to support our particular views towards life, and so our culture.Originally posted by Willem
A city more than twice the size of all it's neighbours combined, ..., should never flip.Comment
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UberKruX, that has to be the coolest screenshot of Civ III I have ever seen. I'm just imagining the 'Woot!' being animated with music whenever a city with a wonder flips to you. I'm still laughing.Comment
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Here's another pic, one of the people there at CivFanatics posted. I have never seen an AI to refuse a flipping city, he has.Attached FilesComment
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Thesus: I am using a p4 1.7g 512MB RAM, 2 30GB ATA 100 Drives, and a Asus ti4400 video card. Civ runs just fine I used to occasionally get pauses at the end of my turn but as of ver. 1.21 that has not happened since.
UberKrux: I am in Monarchy, I just can't bring myself to switch since in Communism I have to sacrifice lives to hurry production while in Monarchy I can just spend money which the computer seems to love to give me plenty of, which I think is another flaw but not on topic.
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I hope they got some bonus points for that one, it certainly is a rare occasion.Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Here's another pic, one of the people there at CivFanatics posted. I have never seen an AI to refuse a flipping city, he has.
Sn00py's graphics sure are getting around aren't they?Comment
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This happend to me once. Quite an entertaining moment on Warlord actually.Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Here's another pic, one of the people there at CivFanatics posted. I have never seen an AI to refuse a flipping city, he has.
Relations between myself and China were getting worse and worse. He was furious with me, and we were on the brink of war. Well, Kiev decided to flip but then suddenly China didn't recognize it.
Too bad I crushed them 25 or so turns later.Comment
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uberkrux, I'm not sure which version of Sn00py's thing to d/l....is it the terrain patch or the april 6th version or somethign? Guh..I don't know what I'm talking about. Could u spoon feed me the link plez?
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I have only one thing to say about culture flipping: Hong Kong and the Panama Canal."In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry LimeComment
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Eastern Germany, perhaps? Happened at my doorstep, succeeded despite of garrisoned forces and was very impressive.Comment
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Is that the best the defenders of Firaxis' non-historical Culture Flipping IDIOCY can do??Originally posted by MosesPresley
I have only one thing to say about culture flipping: Hong Kong and the Panama Canal.
Hong Kong did not "Culture Flip". Nor did the British garrison inside magically vanish. The inevitability of MILITARY action ffom the gigantic Chinese army, along with the end of Colonialism, convinced the British to SIGN IT OVER. And even now it is not entirely part of China what with certain economic and political rights guaranteed by the agreement.
The Panama Canal was SIGNED OVER by Jimmy Carter, and the U.S. garrison didn't vanish into thin air there either. Before that agreement there was much talk about GUERRILLA WARFARE and COMMUNIST SUBVERSION in Panama - so MILITARY action motivated Carter. And he was wrong to do so in many peoples' opinions.
East Germany and the Eastern Block collapsed by way of ECONOMIC REASONS. They were all bankrupt.
Culture can have an overall destabilizing effect on another society, but Flipping cities - and borders flipping over my resources - is bullbleep.
Of all the aspects of Culture Flipping that are absurd razing is the worst in which a single units came magically make an entire city and its population of millions instantly vanish. Poof!
None of it ever happened. When you take History 101 in college you can ask your professor.Last edited by Coracle; June 14, 2002, 20:06.Comment
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Coracle, Coracle, this is the last time I respond to you. This game is NOT an historical simulation!
If it were:
No America until the 1700's
No Aztecs in the modern age.
NO Russia,Britain,Germany,France either.
This is a game, quit whining that it isn't historically accurate. Of course it isn't, it isn't supposed to be accurate.
What would be the point?Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!Comment
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Yup, it's the best I can do.
Coracle you hate the game. Why do you keep posting here and complaining about it? You must be a masochist to keep playing a game that gives you so much pain.
The culture flip is just another abstract way of handling real world events. East Germany, Berlin, the Philipines, the Confederate States, Hong Kong, the Panama Canal, South Vietnam, South Korea, all of the Soviet satellite states, etc. There are countless historical examples of culture flipping. I feel the game's mechanics handle the concept just fine.Last edited by MosesPresley; June 14, 2002, 23:38."In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry LimeComment
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Obviously no one is capable of defending the indefensible - and Culture Flipping is INDEFENSIBLE, and not just historically, but also in terms of the weird way it is implemented in the game.
If Fiiraxis wanted to sell us a FANTASY game they should not have used the cachet of "Sid Meier's Civilization" and also told us up front the game is fantasy and a step BACK from Civ 2, not a step forward as we hoped for years it would be.
Tuberski, keep you promise and stop wasting my time with your personal attacks. BTW, I despise certain ELEMENTS of the game, and those which have been left out such as scenarios. I paid my fifty bucks; I offer my opinion.
I'm still playing it though. so maybe Firaxis gets the last laugh. . .Comment
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I've never personally attacked you. I am suprised you actually responded though.
You come off sounding like you hate the game, but as you say, your still playing it.
I, however, comeoff as loving the game, and I haven't played it in over a month.
Oh, and since you have finally responded, I will remove you from my signature.Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!Comment
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