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I really like Civ3 but someone really has to come up with a way to improve the serious annoyances of culture flipping. I am attaching a save game that really proves my point. I am Rome and am currently the games main superpower, and am on the verge of overtaking the world. Yet Egypt who has ONE 1pop city left somehow manages to culture flip one of my cities with 7-8 military units in it..... This is utterly amazing to me and one of the biggest low points of civ3. This save game is at the end of the turn prior to the flip, so load and just end the turn and see what happens... If anyone can give me a decent reason why this city is flipping I would appreciate it. The other thing that REALLY bothers me is that if they are going to have culture flipping influenced heavily by Capital Distance they NEED to do something about the free switching of Capitals once you take a enemy capital. This would help quite a bit with the culture flipping since you could actually destroy the capital and they would have to rebuild it to get that culture advantage. Please note this is a Huge map game and is late game so might load slow on slower machines. Thanks for reading my rant!
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look at this one:
sure it was in my favor, but it's still insane
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The city flips, because:
- it's not your city, but built by the Americans and obviously taken a long time ago by Egypt, who has lots of citizens in it and probably built a lot of cultural improvements in it
- it's much closer to the Egyptian capital than yours
- you have zero culture in it.
- your overall culture is only about twice as much as the Egyptian. This is not enough to be relatively flip-safe
Addiditonally, when you consider the culture flip formula (see the thread "Culture flipping exposed"), your military in it is not enough.Comment
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Uberkrux, where di u get your terrain? it looks very nice.Comment
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you're a lucky b******, Uber... 
What was your total culture compared to theirs?Lime roots and treachery!
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I don't know what everyone's problem is with culture flipping - I can honestly say that I have NEVER lost a city via culture flipping. So there
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That's one heck of an empire.
Couple thought:
* You don;t need to garrison so much.
* Use your GL, you can only have one at a time.
* Turn off some of the animation... your turns must be taking FOREVER.
As to the city flipping, you need many many more units to ensure it doesn't flip. If you don't have enough, only garrison one, and have the rest on standby to re-capture if need be.
I don't think it so unreasonable that it flips, btw, as it is so far from your capitol.The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
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Sir Ralph: I understand that there are quite a few Egyptian people in the city and it is far from my capital but my god the Egyptian capital is a ONE pop city that has moved numerous times, and New York is not even their city to begin with.... I guess it just seems like the formula is too simplistic for a city like this to be flipping. Also it does have zero culture because the city only went out of revolt that turn so I could buy the temple.
Theseus: Thanks, I garrison 3 units to make 3 people content, not like I need the extra units for warfare anyways. My GL is being saved for the Seti Lab GW that I will be researching after environmentalism and I have a very high end computer, my turns don't take very long and I like the animations hehe. Did you see my massive force that is about to attack the Iroqious?. And the unreasonable part that I am getting at is the current state of the Egyptian empire. Had the city flipped to the aztecs or something I wouldn't have a problem but to flip to a dead empire seems stupid to me.
Oh well thanks for taking a look I guess I will try pulling 80-90 garrisoned infantry and moving them there to see if it prevents the flip.Comment
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I see you are a player after my own heart: massive concentration of force. Use it to prevent flips as well.
I didn't think through the use of the GL... I see one, and I start slavering "Army, Army, Army."
Good game.
I'm using an old P3-500, and couldn;t bear the thought of watching all the units... what do you have that's good enough that it's not a problem?The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
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YuMMz: The # of Egyptians in the city as well as the culture they built in there matters for flipping. This occurs often on captured cities.
Uber: Geez, this webserver uses 1337 as http port, which was blocked by my firewall... Are you 1337? I was confused, because everyone but me seemed to see the picture. Good one, though .
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Uber: I really like the graphics too... what are they?The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.
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That's Sn00py's stuff, wonderful Jungles don't ya think? It's over in the Files area.Originally posted by AzNtoccata
Uberkrux, where di u get your terrain? it looks very nice.Comment
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You have to admit though, UberKrux's example is a bit ridiculous. A city more than twice the size of all it's neighbours combined, and having a Great Wonder, should never flip.Originally posted by zulu9812
I don't know what everyone's problem is with culture flipping - I can honestly say that I have NEVER lost a city via culture flipping. So there
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files section. sn00pzOriginally posted by AzNtoccata
Uberkrux, where di u get your terrain? it looks very nice.
"I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
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didnt check the save but in a despotism only 2 can make people content (martial law) what govt you in?Originally posted by YuMMz
Sir Ralph: I understand that there are quite a few Egyptian people in the city and it is far from my capital but my god the Egyptian capital is a ONE pop city that has moved numerous times, and New York is not even their city to begin with.... I guess it just seems like the formula is too simplistic for a city like this to be flipping. Also it does have zero culture because the city only went out of revolt that turn so I could buy the temple.
Theseus: Thanks, I garrison 3 units to make 3 people content, not like I need the extra units for warfare anyways. My GL is being saved for the Seti Lab GW that I will be researching after environmentalism and I have a very high end computer, my turns don't take very long and I like the animations hehe. Did you see my massive force that is about to attack the Iroqious?. And the unreasonable part that I am getting at is the current state of the Egyptian empire. Had the city flipped to the aztecs or something I wouldn't have a problem but to flip to a dead empire seems stupid to me.
Oh well thanks for taking a look I guess I will try pulling 80-90 garrisoned infantry and moving them there to see if it prevents the flip."I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
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