Foreign Relations 101

[Panag]

Originally posted by notyoueither
What are you on about Panag? I am Caesar!

Do I have a thing with myself? Well, you can never love another...

hi ,

oh , you ARE Ceasar , hmmm , now i get it , .....this explains a lot , .....


okay back to the topic ; there should be a way to cancel foreign relations but keep trade going , .............and that embassy , grrrrrrrrr , there should be a way to close it , .....



have a nice day

[Jaybe]

It is easier to successfully plant spies within your civ 'grouping' (e.g., Americans, Iroquois, Aztecs).

[Panag]

Originally posted by Jaybe
It is easier to successfully plant spies within your civ 'grouping' (e.g., Americans, Iroquois, Aztecs).

hi ,

maybe because they are "nextdoor" , .........?

have a nice day

[Jaybe]

panag,
No, because they are supposedly 'friendlier'.
If I was the French, I would be more willing to plant a spy with the 'friendlier' Germans or English than with the Iroquois or Chinese.

Unless, of course, I was HOPING to trigger a war!

have a better day,

JB

[Panag]

Originally posted by Jaybe
panag,
No, because they are supposedly 'friendlier'.
have a better day,

JB

hi ,

friendly , ahem , ...........Iro an Azt , pffff , when you have more power yes , if not , they walk all over you , after a war , they tend to be a bit more friendly , even asking for mutual protection and so , .....that is if you win that war of course , ...........

have a nice day

[MiloMilo]

bigvic, I think that your game is cursed, not the french. The Frenchies have become possibly my favorite civ. Love those super fast workers, and commercial really helps w/ money and corrution. But what really made my current game is their UU. In terms of strength they're not really different from musketmen, but their timing could not be more perfect. With an early-middle ages golden age, they made it possible for me to snag a tech lead (finally) and Copernicus', J.S. Bach's, Adam Smith's, AND Magellan's Voyage. These should keep me cloase to the other world powers into the endgame.

[bigvic]

Originally posted by MiloMilo
bigvic, I think that your game is cursed, not the french. The Frenchies have become possibly my favorite civ. Love those super fast workers, and commercial really helps w/ money and corrution. But what really made my current game is their UU. In terms of strength they're not really different from musketmen, but their timing could not be more perfect. With an early-middle ages golden age, they made it possible for me to snag a tech lead (finally) and Copernicus', J.S. Bach's, Adam Smith's, AND Magellan's Voyage. These should keep me cloase to the other world powers into the endgame.

Yeah, still playing the second french game I blabbered about. Wow! French rule, just like I thought they should. Guess I did have bad luck. Strange how that happens. W/ my mod, muskateers are truly awesome, 5-4-1 (yeah, I know, WHAT?, but its a long explanation, all UU's are upped in my mod, later more than early, as a reflection of % of increased values, etc). Managed to get to gunpowder intact, built true Napoleanic hordes of muskateers (like napoleanic guards/grenadiers), riflemen, cavalry, and a whole bunch of cannons. ThenI unleashed them onto the world!!!! Gonna win now, I know, so getting a bit tedious, but, wonder how I'll win?

[Jon Shafer]

Napoleonic era is my favorite in history. I was fighting a game on regent on a real map of Europe as France, and somehow I got a tech lead (gotta figure out how I did that!), and ended up with Musketeers, cannons, and cavalry, and I invaded Britain. Their swordsmen didn't have a chance, and I just marched up through London. It was great.

[grapedog]

Ok, heres one I don't get, and I'm only playing on Warlord...

Large continent, random Civ's, I end up with at LEAST 6 neighbors. I managed to cut off the entire southern end of the continent for the most part by building cities across the breadth to keep people out. A greek and Aztec settler managed to get in so I let them build their tiny backwater cities and planned on crushing them with culture eventually but keeping the close cities with an extra 2 defenders just in case they get any ideas.

Now, whenever I trapse through another cultures land they give me the polite boot and I leave. Well Egypt was parading chariots around like no tomorrow, I think I saw more chariots than I did my own troops. Well, on the second warning they declare war on me. So ok, fine...I start pumping out Immortals and reinforcing my defenses on the front lines first. All new towns switch to barracks in case I need to pump out LOTS of immortals. The egyptian chariots(1.1.2) if am not mistaken crash themselves into my cities and basically no big issue, making more Immortals than I'm loosing. Stockpiling a few in invasion launch points for couter attacks. After about 10 turns Egypt is thoroughly frustrated apparently because they ally with the romans who from some ungodly hell pull out more Horseman than I have ever seen. I mean LOTS Of horseman, now the horseman are 1.1.2 as well from what I remember, and my immortals are 4.2.1 and all veterans or elites. Now, you would think that a veteran or elite Immortal would take out a horseman in single combat more often than a horseman taking out the Immortal, not so from my experience here. Been about 20 turns, still haven't lost a city but I am now having to spread defense around as their crappy horseman are traversing my roads to my lesser defended cities.

Ok, 30 turns about now, still no cities lost, losing infrastructure and troops but not gaining or losing any cities still...a war of what? Ok, Aztecs, my good buddies, I ally with them against the Babs and they ally with me against the Egyptians. Babs declare on me ans Aztecs go to work on the Egyptians for a bit. 5 turns later Egypt declares peace. Cool, but now the Babs have allied with the Greeks and went to war against me. So I'm still fighting the Babs, Greeks and Romans. A few turns later, nearing at least 40 turns the Egyptians offer contact to Germany with me. In the spirit of being a good neighbor and not wanted to get reattacked, 50gold is a small price to pay and I can extract that later anyhow. The turn after I get contact with the Germans, they sign a war alliance against me with the Babs....WTF? Now, to be honest, I've never seen a german troop so thats not too bad, but really, was it neccesary. The aztecs, after 20 turns eventually end our peace treaty. Apparently since I wasn't able to help at all, they were not happy. The turn after the treaty ended they declared war on me with the Greeks. I don't know what the hell I'm gonna do. I've lost one city that I took from the greek and one of my original ones. I have a juggernaut of about 10 Immortals razing Roman cities, but they have about 20 some odd Longbowman(4.1.1) and are just ripping through my pikemen/spearmen/immortals.

I've bought peace with the Greeks now too, but still the Romans, Aztecs and Babs are all railing hard on me. I'm sure if I wait long enough the Germans will come all too soon as well. I'd hate to be playing this on the Regent or worse setting.

My one lost original city is in Romans hands and my Immortals juggernaut is in Roman lands, so I'll see how many cities he needs to lose before he gives me peace AND my city back.

[Panag]

Originally posted by grapedog
Ok, heres one I don't get, and I'm only playing on Warlord...

Large continent, random Civ's, I end up with at LEAST 6 neighbors. I managed to cut off the entire southern end of the continent for the most part by building cities across the breadth to keep people out. A greek and Aztec settler managed to get in so I let them build their tiny backwater cities and planned on crushing them with culture eventually but keeping the close cities with an extra 2 defenders just in case they get any ideas.

Now, whenever I trapse through another cultures land they give me the polite boot and I leave. Well Egypt was parading chariots around like no tomorrow, I think I saw more chariots than I did my own troops. Well, on the second warning they declare war on me. So ok, fine...I start pumping out Immortals and reinforcing my defenses on the front lines first. All new towns switch to barracks in case I need to pump out LOTS of immortals. The egyptian chariots(1.1.2) if am not mistaken crash themselves into my cities and basically no big issue, making more Immortals than I'm loosing. Stockpiling a few in invasion launch points for couter attacks. After about 10 turns Egypt is thoroughly frustrated apparently because they ally with the romans who from some ungodly hell pull out more Horseman than I have ever seen. I mean LOTS Of horseman, now the horseman are 1.1.2 as well from what I remember, and my immortals are 4.2.1 and all veterans or elites. Now, you would think that a veteran or elite Immortal would take out a horseman in single combat more often than a horseman taking out the Immortal, not so from my experience here. Been about 20 turns, still haven't lost a city but I am now having to spread defense around as their crappy horseman are traversing my roads to my lesser defended cities.

Ok, 30 turns about now, still no cities lost, losing infrastructure and troops but not gaining or losing any cities still...a war of what? Ok, Aztecs, my good buddies, I ally with them against the Babs and they ally with me against the Egyptians. Babs declare on me ans Aztecs go to work on the Egyptians for a bit. 5 turns later Egypt declares peace. Cool, but now the Babs have allied with the Greeks and went to war against me. So I'm still fighting the Babs, Greeks and Romans. A few turns later, nearing at least 40 turns the Egyptians offer contact to Germany with me. In the spirit of being a good neighbor and not wanted to get reattacked, 50gold is a small price to pay and I can extract that later anyhow. The turn after I get contact with the Germans, they sign a war alliance against me with the Babs....WTF? Now, to be honest, I've never seen a german troop so thats not too bad, but really, was it neccesary. The aztecs, after 20 turns eventually end our peace treaty. Apparently since I wasn't able to help at all, they were not happy. The turn after the treaty ended they declared war on me with the Greeks. I don't know what the hell I'm gonna do. I've lost one city that I took from the greek and one of my original ones. I have a juggernaut of about 10 Immortals razing Roman cities, but they have about 20 some odd Longbowman(4.1.1) and are just ripping through my pikemen/spearmen/immortals.

I've bought peace with the Greeks now too, but still the Romans, Aztecs and Babs are all railing hard on me. I'm sure if I wait long enough the Germans will come all too soon as well. I'd hate to be playing this on the Regent or worse setting.

My one lost original city is in Romans hands and my Immortals juggernaut is in Roman lands, so I'll see how many cities he needs to lose before he gives me peace AND my city back.

hi ,

you know , it would be intresting to post that game , .........

have a nice day

[grapedog]

Like a save file? Typically, how big are the save files for the game...unfortunately I'm at work right now, but if you would like me to I can when I get home. It's not a pretty sight.

I was polite with most of my neighbohrs for the longest time but I would not trade them any world/territory maps of my own, I guess thats why they decided to walk all over the place. That whole, AI know where there is open land, is a little frustrating too, but I enjoy culture crushing when I can.

I was decent at CivII, and I played CivIII when it first came out, but took a break and came back to it...and sadly, not very good yet.

[Panag]

Originally posted by grapedog
Like a save file? Typically, how big are the save files for the game...unfortunately I'm at work right now, but if you would like me to I can when I get home. It's not a pretty sight.

I was polite with most of my neighbohrs for the longest time but I would not trade them any world/territory maps of my own, I guess thats why they decided to walk all over the place. That whole, AI know where there is open land, is a little frustrating too, but I enjoy culture crushing when I can.

I was decent at CivII, and I played CivIII when it first came out, but took a break and came back to it...and sadly, not very good yet.

hi ,

the save is nice , one can always learn from another , ..........

so workind and playing , ............

have a nice day

[grapedog]

I wish I was working and playing, but playing will have to wait till i get home, I can only browse the forums at work.

[bigvic]

Grapedog,

How did you deal w/ your neighbors real early? Sometimes there's no avoiding war, especially on a crowded continent, especially w/ certain civs like aztecs. Horsemen - 2-1-2. In sits like that, building lots of units might keep the AI off your back a while, but once you have a bunch of units, you may as well go for blood. Thats the beauty of playing random start. Who knows, you might get the chill & build frenchies on a fight or die situation, or the kill kill kill from the get go aztecs on a splendidly isolated island.

Back to your quandry. Try to isolate your enemies and pick 'em off one at a time. Rights of passage, luxuries/resources, techs, world maps, $, commo w/ other civs,...all can ingratiate you to at least some civs unless they are in "dogpile on you" mode. Also, jumping into a dogpile on some poor unfortunate AI, esp. if they are far away, can earn you the same goodies and ingratiate you to the AI's.

Be prepared to swallow some pride if it means survival. Comfort yourself with fantasies of torturing your tormentors one day.

[notyoueither]

grapedog

If you had approached Caesar before Cleo did, things might be a lot different?