Which civs could be replaced by a worthier civ?

[Boris Godunov]

I'm a hardcore Western Civ/European history buff, but I say enough European civs already. There are 6 out of 16, not including the Americans (which is essentially a European civilizations). Now I like the Dutch, Vikings and Spanish a lot, too, but enough is enough!

I just played a huge map with correct starting locales. Europe is just too crowded as it is, if you consider it from this perspective. Yeah, it doesn't apply to random maps...but I like playing on earth more anyway.

I'd like to see 2 more African civs, Mali and Carthage. Asia should add the Mongols and Indonesia. In the Americas, I'd add the Mayas and Incas both (S. America is woefully unrepresented). Perhaps even another native american group like the Souix. N. America is huge and there's no one to use it!

[Jethro83]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I'd like to see 2 more African civs, Mali and Carthage. Asia should add the Mongols and Indonesia. In the Americas, I'd add the Mayas and Incas both (S. America is woefully unrepresented). Perhaps even another native american group like the Souix. N. America is huge and there's no one to use it!

Both America and the Iroquois are Expansionist. That means that both will swallow up that vast amount of land very quickly. But I do agree that South America is badly unrepresented, and the Incas are necessary to fill the gap.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by LordAzreal


Both America and the Iroquois are Expansionist. That means that both will swallow up that vast amount of land very quickly. But I do agree that South America is badly unrepresented, and the Incas are necessary to fill the gap.

You'd be surprised! In the game I am playing, it's modern era and I'd say over 50% of N. America is empty. America filled up Eastern US and Canada, and the Iroqouis (I put them on the west coast) stayed on that coast until the Americans kicked them out (but the Americans didn't capture the cities, just destroyed them).

Now, everything west of the rockies is empty except for a lone Japanese city.

[notyoueither]

Exactly! We need the Haida to fill in those vast empty spaces.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by F18fett
Aborigines going back 60,000 years? Where did you get that?

By accident when I was searching for information on Neanderthal DNA the other day for a OT discussion.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/slab/mungoman/default.htm

Which isn't the link I found the other day. That was on the Scientific American site I think.

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I'm a hardcore Western Civ/European history buff, but I say enough European civs already. There are 6 out of 16, not including the Americans (which is essentially a European civilizations). Now I like the Dutch, Vikings and Spanish a lot, too, but enough is enough!

Boris, what if the XP comes with a (huge) map of Europe?
Or a colonization scenario, perhaps.

And hopefully there will be more XP's, too.

[danimal]

The French are garbage....merde. Throughout history they have been a nation of backbiting cowardly whimps. If not for the USA...all the french would still be speaking German. And don't tell me about Napoleon...the big ***** got beat in the end.

[SpencerH]

We could make room by getting rid of the Germans.

[bigvic]

Originally posted by danimal
The French are garbage....merde. Throughout history they have been a nation of backbiting cowardly whimps. If not for the USA...all the french would still be speaking German. And don't tell me about Napoleon...the big ***** got beat in the end.

whimp?

[bigvic]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I'm a hardcore Western Civ/European history buff, but I say enough European civs already. There are 6 out of 16, not including the Americans (which is essentially a European civilizations). Now I like the Dutch, Vikings and Spanish a lot, too, but enough is enough!

I just played a huge map with correct starting locales. Europe is just too crowded as it is, if you consider it from this perspective. Yeah, it doesn't apply to random maps...but I like playing on earth more anyway.

I'd like to see 2 more African civs, Mali and Carthage. Asia should add the Mongols and Indonesia. In the Americas, I'd add the Mayas and Incas both (S. America is woefully unrepresented). Perhaps even another native american group like the Souix. N. America is huge and there's no one to use it!

The secret is to use a distorted map, w/ Europe and near east enlarged. Regardless, if there were 1 buzillion civs to choose from, you could only play with 16.

[dunk]

Originally posted by danimal
The French are garbage....merde. Throughout history they have been a nation of backbiting cowardly whimps. If not for the USA...all the french would still be speaking German. And don't tell me about Napoleon...the big ***** got beat in the end.

Isn't he cute?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by SpencerH
We could make room by getting rid of the Germans.

Why would we want to do that? The Germans have certainly had as much impact on the world as any of the other civs in the game.

[Trifna]

NONE

To be representative, some more civs should be in and the 16 that are there barely suffice to represent a part of the world.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

Why would we want to do that? The Germans have certainly had as much impact on the world as any of the other civs in the game.

I disagree. I think you'd be hard pressed to demonstrate that Germany was more than a European power. Other european civs such as the Spanish were more global in scope or the Scandinavians who have had more influence for a much longer time should have been included before the Germans.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by SpencerH


I disagree. I think you'd be hard pressed to demonstrate that Germany was more than a European power. Other european civs such as the Spanish were more global in scope or the Scandinavians who have had more influence for a much longer time should have been included before the Germans.

Absolutely not. Since the time of the Roman Empire, the Germans have altered the course of Western history. First, both England and France owe their origins to the Germanic tribes, and the Germanic tribes spread from norther europe as far as northern Africa. The descendants of the Franks became France and of the Angles and Saxons became the English.

In addition, the Protestant Reformation, which began in Germany, has arguably had as much world-wide impact than anything done by any other European power. And then of course, much of the 20th century's history was a product of the world dealing with Germany's military and imperialist aspirations.

I'd also point out that the contributions to culture--music, art, literature, religion, SCIENCE, philosophy, etc. from the Germans far outstrips anything coming from the Spanish or Scandinavians in terms of world impact.