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  • #46
    Ok, sounds fine. I just think Napoleon was more to blame for starting the wars than the nations responding to him ...

    I don't want to seem to be starting a war myself!

    In any event starting wars makes him great Civ leader material!
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Andrew Cory

      "Defenders always start the wars. The guy on the offense just wants to conquor, he dosn't want a war..."
      [paraphrasing] -Sethra Lavode
      Such a source. A fictional general vampire sorceress.


      Should make a great sig.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by nato
        Ok, sounds fine. I just think Napoleon was more to blame for starting the wars than the nations responding to him ...
        I would tend to agree, except for the war of 1802 that was clearly started by the UK.
        Others were mainly attempt of self-preservation from other European countries that wished to keep their power.

        But Napoléon has his legend with him, he looks like the New Man shattering the base of the Old Regime
        (and well, he just got more charisma that the old Metternich)
        Science without conscience is the doom of the soul.

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        • #49
          maybe i'm a dumb american, but didnt napoleon spread the napoleonic code across europe, effectively planting the seeds for democracy?

          stupid democracy.
          "I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
          - Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card

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          • #50
            Jean-Marie LePen's political party's patron saint is Jeanne D'Arc.
            "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
              Jean-Marie LePen's political party's patron saint is Jeanne D'Arc.
              So what ?
              Science without conscience is the doom of the soul.

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              • #52
                Take it for whatever it's worth to you. I'm just stating something I learned today.
                "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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                • #53
                  Could they

                  could they make a mod so you could choose which country and which face to go with it
                  be better than all this hassale
                  Denday

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
                    Take it for whatever it's worth to you. I'm just stating something I learned today.
                    Russian's communist's political party's symbol is a hammer.
                    Guess than hammers are communists then ?
                    Science without conscience is the doom of the soul.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by UberKruX
                      maybe i'm a dumb american, but didnt napoleon spread the napoleonic code across europe, effectively planting the seeds for democracy?
                      Yes, that's right. Then he betrayed the Republic by setting himself up as a new king and emperor. He should have followed the example of a truly great man, George Washington, who when faced with the opportunity for total power, declined.

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                      • #56
                        well that doesn't change the fact that he went throughtout europe and set up the ideas to revolt from the monarchies and create what we know as the free world.

                        good point though.
                        "I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
                        - Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card

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                        • #57
                          Well, Napoleon wasn't exactly that long after Washington and (thinking in Civ3 terms) the history books featuring Washington's stories would probably have taken too long to come to France by see, so Napoleon got frustrated and switched governments.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Ethelred


                            Such a source. A fictional general vampire sorceress.


                            Should make a great sig.
                            Which? Your line about it? Or the line itself?
                            Beyond that, there _is_ a certain amount of sense to it...
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                            • #59
                              The line you sorta quoted of course.

                              Sethra is the voice of the pragamatist in most cases. One of the better characters in the series. I just wish Brust could develop better stories outside of it. He is doing a good job of going on after he seemed to have hit a dead end. His two Dumas inspired books just aren't as good but the do give a nice pre-history to the Vlad Taltos stuff.

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                              • #60
                                For those of you stumped by ccm01's apparant lack of leaderheads on his site (as he turned it into a baseball one), you will be able to find them at:



                                And that includes his Napoleon leaderhead. Now you don't have to sit here and whinge about Joan of Arc ruling France.

                                Though you might want to edit diplomacy.txt, unless you want Napoleon blurting out "Holy France welcomes you" and all that religious claptrap Joan says. I can't imagine Napoleon like that.
                                "Corporation, n, An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility." -- Ambrose Bierce
                                "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." -- Benjamin Franklin
                                "Yes, we did produce a near-perfect republic. But will they keep it? Or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance without character is the path of destruction." -- Thomas Jefferson

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