Summaries of the chat

[Grrr]

Thanks for that anyway, NYE. I wish now that I had made it possible for myself to participate.

[Swissy]

Originally posted by notyoueither
'No Comment' is the official motto of Firaxis ...

Actually, that is default response to any question which does not appear on the Infogrammes "You are allowed to answer" list.

[twistedx]

Does anybody have a log of the chat?

-- twistedx

[Coracle]

After reading this summary I am more convinced than ever of the stubborn, patronizing, and haughty arrogance of the dolts at Firaxis. And that's something they've already proved over and over with their beta game, unwelcome changes, and by refusing to give the fans what we really want.

Just watch. They will next have the gall to next try to sell us some MP, XP, scenario, or other variant of Civ III.

[AJ Corp. The FAIR]

Originally posted by ACooper
Here's a summary:
whine,whine, obnoxious whine.

Yes, but ...

you should visit Spectator's very recent thread 'Specific starting points'.

Tell me, is this normal/fair?

AJ

[Swissy]

Originally posted by Coracle
After reading this summary I am more convinced than ever of the stubborn, patronizing, and haughty arrogance of the dolts at Firaxis.

I for one do not blame Firaxis. They signed on with Hasbro Interactive, who then sold out to Infogrammes. From everything I have seen thus far, and that includes games besides Civ3, Infogrammes is the villian. They probably told Firaxis it was "their way or the highway". Seeing that Firaxis has already invested a years worth of developement they had to cave or be left out Civ.

The best thing that could happen for Civ players would be for EA to buy the Civ franchise from Infogrammes. Both Sid and Firaxis have a good working relationship with EA, and EA is a company with a solid rep in the PC game industry.

[ixnay]

Originally posted by twistedx
Does anybody have a log of the chat?

-- twistedx

I put up the transcript of the part that i participated in in this thread:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47906

[notyoueither]

Oh. One other major revelation. The public beta team had a major influence on the released patch. Their testing is what resulted in the skipping from 17 to 21. They uncovered bugs that had to be debugged anew.

I guess we only have some of our-selves to blame now.

[alva]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Some MP die hards certainly made their presence felt. Some had a very chaotic influence. Mark, true to form allowed alot of divergent opinions to be expressed.

sometimes too much?



Mark and Soren seemed to be very interested in any questions by the creative types. Gramphos obviously would be paid attention to, but others as well. Of course, the creative types had questions about the current editor and files, etc.

wasn't this what the chat was about? patch 1.21f??!!

i only was in for about the last 20 min., but the mp thing was certainly annoying!!

[Inverse Icarus]

one of my favorite things from the chat was upon enternig, they mentioned the thunderstorm and warned their power might go out, or perhaps an internet wire pulled. either way.

anyway, i asked several questions, and got a "no comment" to all of them. they didnt even asnwer if they were ever planning a minimap for the editor. anything would be better than "no comment". i would have rather heard "we haven't discussed it", it's like pleading the 5th (American Constitution, don't have to testify against yourself), you still come out looking guilty.

multiplayer is understandable, desipte my desires to know where it stands. if there is a gag order on MP, which there may very well be, then i understand.

but they were throwing out that "No comment" crap every 9 out of 10 questions, in my case they didn't answer ANY of my questions.

eventully i just forgot the whole thing and left. i don't think i got out of line until the bannifcation for changing my name to "Soren-Why-Does-Your-AI-Suck". i'll admit that was a bit much , but i'm very angry at the firaxian reserved tongues.

[notyoueither]

alva848.

Yes. If Mark has a failing it is being too tolerant. But then, that's why I'm here and not on some other civ site. I like the 'freedom' of Poly, believe it or not. Some prefer cfc. To each his/her own. I'll take arguments with Lib over stifled debate any day. Believe it or not, I learned a bit from Lib.

Yes about the 1.21 theme, but the Firaxians were hand-cuffed from answering even the most basic extrapolative questions based on the state of the game as of 1.21. In the last chat they were game for at least a little speculation. Not in the least this time.

The MP thing... Kids will be kids... They want what they want, and they want it NOW.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by notyoueither

The MP thing... Kids will be kids... They want what they want, and they want it NOW.

or like contract bound adults who were under the impression that multiplayer was out of box.

[notyoueither]

Yes KruX, but can't you believe that there may be some contract that prohibts ANY speculative or promising expression? I've seen it before in other situations. Firaxis is not alone in this venture.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Yes KruX, but can't you believe that there may be some contract that prohibts ANY speculative or promising expression? I've seen it before in other situations. Firaxis is not alone in this venture.

i'm just saying it's bad businesws to promise something, and then to revoke it (and not even officially mind you, it was leaked out by an email, if you call correctly. Firaxis never mentioned it, and probably never would have). also, they claimed MP would be released early spring. May approaches quickly.

[notyoueither]

Yes KruX. I believe you that you are p*ssed about MP. But as you indicated, you knew before the release date. You could have waited to buy the game until you could have MP out of the box, right?

I understand you are frustrated by the time required to make MP, but why act in such a way as to disrupt an event being attended by many, many people.

It appears that the developers have a plan as to how to bring the game along. First get SP right, then scenarios, then MP. I can see the logic in the progression. You will get a better MP product in the end. Hopefully one you can play for years.